02-06-2010, 05:24 PM
Quote:PS. Arthuis' grandfather was Coel Hen, the last Dux Britannium.And were is the proof that Coel Hen was
a) a historical figure (What was his real name, for instance)? Other 'contemporary persons' in such pedigrees (and subsequent mythology) are Gwawl (a personification of Hadrian's Wall) and Stratwawl (the 'Wall Road').
b) That a person named Coel Hen was indeed ever Dux Brittaniarum? As far as I know, this was a speculation by John Morris.
Also, you have to write your real (first) name in your signature (profile). That's a forum rule.
Hi Alan,
Quote:Coel Hen. Apparently through Theodosius the Elder. Yes, and it's believed he gave subsequent commands to Cunedda and one or two other guys. The Dux Britannarium equates with a "gwledig," and the Count of Britain could have been Britonized into "amberwydr," or something like that-- aka "imperitor."Well, Cunedda could have been 'summoned' by anyone from Magnus Maximus to Vortigern and others.. The famous dating of Cunedda is (unfortunately) not very secure.
So far, it's still unknown what is exactly meant by 'gwledig', but 'prince' as well as 'leader' or 'landowner' are known. I have never, though, seen it equated with Dux Britanniarum, which was a Late Roman command which was never equated by anyone later bearing that suffix or title.
Comes Brittaniarum, similarly, does not equate with 'imperator', either. Maybe a particularly powerful leader claimed both titles.
Robert Vermaat
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THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST
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