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Finished Linothorax
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OK,so now lets speak about the 4th century etruscan armour,shall we?
Here is a photo of the Mars of Todi i took last Easter. Flash was forbiden but i switched off the camera and when i switched on the settings of no-flash were cancelled and this was the only photo with flash i took in the museum. Luckily,at least it was a good photo.
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In case you can't see it from the photo,all the bands that separate the rows of scales,together with all the outer esges and the edges of all the pteryges consist on a thread that stitch the rows together.The visible part of each scale has 4-5 stitches,and i asume as many on the invisible part of the overlap.
The best coloured illustration of this type of armour is from an etruscan tomband is this one:
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The basic difference with the Mars of Todi and this one is that the latter has a band of solid matterial around the stomach,of the same colour as the rest of the scales and the pteryges. It is also obvious that the bronze helmet and greaves are yellow. And that the iron attachment fittings are bluish/grey. In the same painting,the iron weapons are also of this bluish/grey colour and there is one more ordinary tube&yoke cuirass that is of the exact same colour:
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The only other depictions of the same type of armour are also etruscan of the 4th century. There are no greek ones.
Here is another one that somehow Connolly translated into a bronze scale cuirass:
[Image: etruscanmuralorcus.gif]
It is a mystery to me why this cuirass should be asumed to be bronze,when the "scales" are the same colour as the pteryges and different colour than -say- the yellow faced shield! And different than the iron spear point.
Another Etruscan painting:
[Image: etrusk2.jpg]
It is not very clear but you can see the horizontal bands that separate the body and with little imagination the shoulder flaps too. It speaks for itself,but you can see the difference in colour to both the bronze armour and the iron sword. And it is very similar to the Mars of Todi also to the use of solid plates in the top of the shoulder flaps,that here is shown to be bronze plate.
There are examples of similar leather scales. This skythian cuirass for instance:
[Image: leatherscale6thbce.png]
The most similar example in bronze that i could find is this skythian example:
[Image: 34centurybc.jpg]
To me at least the similarity of leather scales to the Mars of Todi is much more pronounced.
Finally,too more pictures of details of the Mars of Todi. Only by the looks of it one can't be conclusive,but to me it looks much more like the behavior of leather.[Image: sdc12659.jpg]
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So,friends,i really can't see the likeliness of it being metal,nor insipred by the Asyrian armour. Fifth century Etruscans used typical tube and yokes identical to the Greeks,or bell cuirasses. The Greeks never adopted the armour,or at least not in such a scale to have been represented in their art. And there are other examples of similar armour made of leather used by people much closer to the Etruscans than the Asyrians,both geographically and chronologically.
The comment about the possibility of them being tinned iron or bronze...it almost doesn't deserve to be argued against,since there is no indication that the Etruscans tinned their helmets,greaves or other piece of armour to any great extend,whereas all depictions show the cuirass white,like the pteryges.
I'm sorry if finally the cuirass wasn't as impressive as gleaming bronze or iron like illustrators like to fashion,but to me this armour seems as impressive in white leather!
Khairete
Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
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