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What\'s With Those Brown Tents! More new pics...
#1
Brown tents..

Well, we finally did it. For years I resisted the idea of disguising canvas as leather. Last February our tents came back from being loaned out and most had red dye stains down the doors from Corinthian helmets with red horsehair crests that were displayed on the top of the upright poles. It had rained, alot and hard.. the red dye ran and left psychodelic streaks.

Thus, an opportunity presented itself.. or perhaps it was a sign?.... in any case we now have brown tents.

The canvas is Sunforger.

I experimented with several products.. rit dye, procion dye, paint, leather dye but the one that was most effective was a water based wood stain.

Mixed at the ratio of one pint to one gallon, applied with a pressurized sprayer and then brushed and scrubbed into the canvas with a sweep broom.

It worked best when the canvas was primed with water. We misted the canvas and then brushed it in making the fibers of the canvas more likely to absorb the dye mix.

We worked in smallish areas. The hotter/sunnier it was the smaller the area as the dye would dry too fast leaving spots or streaks. On overcast parts of the day the work went quickly as we could work larger areas.

The tents need 3 coats to achieve the color we like and that translates into about one quart of dye per tent... and at under $10 per can!

Since the stain is water based it leaves no odor, no volitiles.

The canvas became slightly stiffer, but after being up for 3 days it returned to its natural suppleness.

We stained/dyed the tents on a flat surface, folding the tents so as to present only the area to be dyed... over spray results in streaking and sploching that is hard to cover up.

After seeing the tents up, after seeing a "sea" of brown tents, the impression of what a Roman camp might have looked like was further advanced.

The Public at Old Ft Mac Days loved it, fellow reenactors loved it.. "Hey, you guys don't look like an American Civil War encampment!". More importantly we liked it. Even the handful of skeptics among us loved it.

Some of the tents pictured need a 2nd and 3rd coat of dye.

It took about 1 hour over a 4 hour period to apply one coat of dye. It was best when the section dyed was given an oportunity to become nearly dry.

Here are some pictures:

[Image: ftmac2008.03.papilio.jpg]


http://rlqm.com/ftmac2008/ftmac2008.01.papilio.jpg
http://rlqm.com/ftmac2008/ftmac2008.02.papilio.jpg

http://rlqm.com/ftmac2008/ftmac2008.04.papilio.jpg
Hibernicus

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#2
Wow! THAT LOOKS GREAT! Thank you for sharing a new way to look better.
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#3
What brand of wood stain Hib, and what colour? That does indeed look fantastic.

Will the wood stain affect the fibers of the canvas at all in terms of deterioration, or will it reduce it's water resistance?

I just ordered the roman 9 X 9 tent from panther primitives in white...but I'd love to make mine brown.
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#4
Thanks Gents!

There are several brands of water based wood stain.

The dye hasn't affected water resistence adversely and I have no idea if it will cause the canvas to deteriorate faster.

3 more tents to do! ..and some shade cloths!
Hibernicus

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#5
Quote:What brand of wood stain Hib, and what colour? That does indeed look fantastic.

Will the wood stain affect the fibers of the canvas at all in terms of deterioration, or will it reduce it's water resistance?

I just ordered the roman 9 X 9 tent from panther primitives in white...but I'd love to make mine brown.

Panther Primitives also sells the 9x9 tent in a tanish brown color. I got one and it looks pretty close to the ones pictured above.

Maius/Bill
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#6
Yeah, I wanted to get that one Bill, but didn't have the extra $ at the time...I'm hoping Hib's treatment doesn't affect the tent adversley, or I may try that.
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#7
Very good! That is a great way to disguise our tents a bit better!
Robert Vermaat
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#8
Thanks Robert.

ON COLOR: we chose "red maple" ...and that's what suited us. There are dozens of brownish colors to choose from. Since I feel that Panther "brown" is too soft or pale we'll continue to buy the standard "Roman Papilio" from them and dye them our chosen color.

The application of any substance voids Panther's fire retardant certification so in future we'll buy tents with standard sunforger and save a few dollars.

Hibernicus
Hibernicus

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#9
Yeah, mine doesn't have the flame retardant on it either. I'm hoping your treatment works!
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#10
Those are very close to the color of Legio XX's tent. Well done.
Richard Campbell
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#11
Those look absolutely terrific!! I will have to get after dyeing my own... perhaps after it cools down a bit; it's roasty-toasty this summer! Laudes to you!
Iulia Sempronia (Sara Urdahl)
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#12
great job Hib... I toyed with this idea before, but testing did not work well! May be the misting and water base is what I missed!

Ok men of the sixth... we have a project...
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#13
Hib, Magnus, which type did you get from Panther Primitives?
Is it one of the scouting tents, as I can't seem to find one like you are showing...

Thanks
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#14
Thanks Rusty, thanks all!

Phil, the tents from Panther are the Roman Papilio

I'm a "Panther Dealer" and can extend the 20% discount off of the retail price to any and all.

Hibernicus
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#15
Neat!

I guess it's true what's said about Great Discoveries and Inventions Happen Through Accidents Big Grin
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