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etruscan lamellar armour
#1
Hi,
I'm trying to understand the way etruscan lamellar armour like that of Marte di Todi bronze was build http://www.flickr.com/photos/hesperetusa/4910637170/

the bronze actually is umbrian but there are other smaller etruscan bronze with the same kind of armour


this kind of armour would probably be derived from eastern types, even if I don't know greek depiction of similar ones

someone has idea of the lacing/holes pattern?

thanks to everyone that can add something

Corrado
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#2
Hey!

Well on first sight I would say it looks like a linothorax just with rows of metal plates sewn onto it.
I would suggest you ask some of the greek re-enactors. Some them use small plates on their armors in different extent. They can probably also give you some info about the lacing/holes.
Patrick D.
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#3
The really cool thing about Etruscan Lammelar
when you find the grave painting (and its here somewhere on RAT) of Etruscans - there is actually a painting of the lammelar changing pattern/direction at the mid section/waist.
If you want "accurate" lammellar- re holes etc you would probably best research Assyrian examples.
I have just (mostly) completed a lammelar armour inspired by the Mars Of Todi but have used later period lames available from Medieval Fight Club. It would annoy some but it still looks very cool.
Good luck
Richard
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#4
Strange, I just found this in the Vatican Museum myself! First time I had seen it!
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#5
Here is the link posted by Giannis. It is terrific.

farm5.static.flickr.com/4120/4760634067_ceea57d77c_b.jpg
and it was from this thread

http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat.html?fu...971#266838

There are other images of Etruscans wearing lammelar also if you look. Wink
regards
richard
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#6
I have been curious enough to google for you/me

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/mharrsc...412/#large
and after a trawl though some others favourites (wow)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/?view=lg
http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Etruscan

(u can enlarge the image)

I know I have seen a clearer image of this last one but have not been able to find it
regards
richard
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#7
Thank you, I'll submit the question to Greek reenactors
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#8
Thank you to everyone!, I'll submit the question to Greek reenactors.
There are several depictions of Etruscan warrior with lamellar armours, but the Mars of Todi is probably the best detailed as is the biggest (a real scale bronze), nevertheless no depictions allow to understand the assembly. Some fresco depictions (like Francois tomb someone have linked) add more problems as the scale armour are painted white, while we usually assume the plates are bronze...
I've searched even in Assyrian documentation, but I haven't still found something really usefull. I'll submit the quastion also to Assyrian researchers...


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#9
Surely it is a bit of an assumption to make that the lamellar armour is made from bronze, it could easily be made from leather/linen scales, and would match more with depictions where it is shown as being white in colour.
Jack
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#10
You're right: we are used to account bronze plates as are the ones we can found, so many modern graphics about hellenistic or Assyrian lamellar armours show them bronze, but ancient iconography speaks differently
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#11
ThE osprey book on the Assyrians has a photo of actual Assyrian lamellar with string used for lacing intact- which is brilliant.
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#12
Russell Robinson's opinion at http://tinyurl.com/6mkql2p

Assyrian lacing is discussed at http://utoronto.academia.edu/AmyBarron/P...s_Artifact - from p.147, reconstruction illustration on p.178
cheers,
Duncan
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#13
The Assyrian example would be a good choice, since the Etrustans originally came from the Lavant... aka Asia Minor. :wink:
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#14
The illustration on p. 9 of the Robinson book shows depictions of lamellar ranging from Nimrud c. 880 BC to an actual example from Wisby, 1361 AD. This means lamellar armor in one form or another was used for at least 2400 years. That's perhaps even longer than mail was used. An amazing thought.
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#15
Right up until the 19th century in India and other places
Richard
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