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Legio III Italica
#1
Since I can never get the search engine to work on RAT I am unsure as to whether this has been covered before, but students from the University of Regensburg have marched across the Alps wearing (new style) Newstead- and Corbridge-type lorica seg. They have a website (mostly text pdfs) for <em>Projekt "trans alpes 2004"</em> as they have termed it:<br>
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www.legion-regensburg.de/vorlindex.html<br>
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and you can see their mugshots on the Regensburg Uni Institut für Geschichte website:<br>
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www.uni-regensburg.de/Fak...eschichte/<br>
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All in German, so you'll need to stick The Fish into the metaphorical ear of your browser if you are not a Deutsch-enabled model of homo sapiens.<br>
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Mike Bishop<br>
(who, like his home planet, is Mostly Harmless) <p></p><i></i>
You know my method. It is founded upon the observance of trifles

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#2
What period do they re-enact? I see an Intercisa helm, but also 3rdC ring buckles with dangly terminals, worn with 2ndC helms and lorica segmentata.<br>
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Not knocking the incredible achievement of the march! Just the choice of kit. <p></p><i></i>
~ Paul Elliott

The Last Legionary
This book details the lives of Late Roman legionaries garrisoned in Britain in 400AD. It covers everything from battle to rations, camp duties to clothing.
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#3
I couldn't see much, but I got the impression that most of them were probably trying to do a late second or early third century impression. I notice that the site mentions Sir Peter Connolly in one place. Have I been asleep recently or have the Germans taken the initiative and given him the credit that he deserves much more than money grubbing accountants and political party lackies?<br>
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Crispvs <p></p><i></i>
Who is called \'\'Paul\'\' by no-one other than his wife, parents and brothers.  :!: <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_exclaim.gif" alt=":!:" title="Exclamation" />:!:

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#4
Ave,<br>
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Certainly an impressive achiement, and one I'd have loved to participate in. We don't get much of that sort of enthusiasm over here, or that sort of sponsorship.<br>
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There are certainly some kit questions, which may be answered in the germanic text. Being a 2nd century Newsteady type myself, I'm curious about the version. Bishop styled upper, but retaining the leather thong tie lower, with very long girth hoop sections...? Probably more comfortable, buuuuut... I wonder who made them. I'd like to see closeup shots of the gear, armor, boots, etc.<br>
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A very commendable effort, which will hopefully help direct more attention on Rome!<br>
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Vale, Florentius <p></p><i></i>
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#5
Mike would know: was Peter knighted? <p>Legio XX<br>
Caput dolet, pedes fetent, Iesum non amo<br>
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Richard Campbell
Legio XX - Alexandria, Virginia
RAT member #6?
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#6
There are times when I would like to crown him!<br>
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No - it's unlikely ever to happen, I would have thought.<br>
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Mike Bishop <p></p><i></i>
You know my method. It is founded upon the observance of trifles

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#7
sigh - I had hoped to have a little more time to prepare a thorough description of our project, but this new thread has forced me to speed things up.<br>
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A short description (in English) is in progress and should be added to our homepage in a couple of days. I am also working on an equipment section, so close ups of armour, boots, weapons etc. will be provided soon.<br>
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For now I can only give you a short-short description:<br>
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A group of 12 students (+ a few helpers) marched from Regensburg (Bavaria) to Trent (Upper Italy). The group started on August 15th and arrived on September 11th.<br>
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The historical background was the civil war of the year 193 AD (scenario: "a detachment of LEG III ITAL leaves its garrison at Regensburg, moves southwards and then crosses the Alps in order to give support to Septimius Severus and his Pannonian legions")<br>
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The equipment was chosen to represent a group of Roman legionaries with auxiliary forces in the late 2nd/first half of the 3rd century AD.<br>
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armour:<br>
chain mail for the archers, loricae segmentatae for the legionaries.<br>
Type of cuirass: 'old new Newstead'. Already with the large lobate hinges, but still with a leather thong for the girth hoops<br>
(as Florentius has rightly observed ) - based on a plan made by Michael Bishop in 2001.<br>
The cuirasses were made by a group of Czech craftsmen<br>
(I would have loved to make one myself but had neither the time nor the skill).<br>
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Helmets:<br>
Niedermoermter (steel) for the legionaries + "Archer helmets" (Deepeeka) for the sagittarii (these helmets looked great but were very cumbersome and were only rarely used)<br>
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Shields:<br>
Dura-Europos rectangular (+ one oval)<br>
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Swords and Daggers:<br>
Spathae and a few Künzing pugiones<br>
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Footwear:<br>
a type of closed eyelet boot (based on findings from Vindolanda/Saalburg/Weiblingen/Walheim). They were made by Marquita Volken (shoe museum Lausanne - we received her address from Carol van Driel-Murray).<br>
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Baldrics:<br>
1 Zugmantel, the rest Vimose style<br>
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Errors:<br>
1.) The centurion has a Corbridge with a Weisenau helmet instead of a Newstead with a Niedermoermter or Niederbieber/Heddernheim helmet. The reason was that the Czechs had somehow forgotten his set of armour and this problem was reveiled only a few weeks before the start ! Luckily, he still had a really nice Corbridge with an appropriate helmet in reserve. I was responsible for choosing most of the equipment but he was the initiator of the project. We both had worked our a** off and had invested too much time and a lot of money (for a student) into our great dream, so I could impossibly say "sorry mate, your armour doesn't really fit into this period, so either walk without it or stay at home".<br>
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In the end we were glad to have this Corbridge with us, because we were able to show interested people the differences between this older type of cuirass and the Newstead (and do a few comparative tests).<br>
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2.) one of the arches wears an Intercisa ridge helmet.<br>
Similar story: we tried desperately to equip each of our archers with a Syrian spangenhelm, but we received only three (and we were still lucky since they are not on sale in Germany). Now Martin, one of our archers, who was no expert on Roman military equipment, just took one of the late Roman helmets from our warship project. The centurion and me had a discussion on this, but in the end we decided to let Martin do so, since he was such a nice and selfless person. He did not wear this helmet later, so it was not that much of a problem.<br>
(and, as with the Corbridge, we could show visitors what Roman helmets looked like in a later period).<br>
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3.) we also took flak because some of our men used long-sleeved coats of mail. Again the same reason: we managed to get several short-sleeved ones, and one 'nightgown' with a zig-zag terminal, but still had to take a few long-sleeved shirts as a stopgap. One of the skeletons from Dura-Europos probably wore a slong-sleeved one, but it is unclear whether this skelly was once a Roman or a Persian.<br>
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I apologize for the equipment errors, but if you have to put through a project of that magnitude with a limited budget and under heavy pressure of time, you have to improvise a lot.<br>
One more year of preparations would have been fine, but because of state examinations and other 'peanuts', the summer of 2004 was the only possible time slot.<br>
The two men in charge (the centurion and me) were handicapped by fiendish tests in Latin and Greek, and most of the guys in our group simultaneously had to race against time to complete our Roman warship. The ship was presented to the public only two weeks before the march started, so we had to split up our time and energy.<br>
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Now to a couple of difficulties experienced by Marcus Junkelmann in 1985 [my rough translation]:<br>
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-"Of course it would have been best to take a car and take a close look at the entire distance and to decide on a fixed route, but, as usual, there was not enough time."<br>
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-"It was a disadvantage that many pieces of equipment had been made available only immediately before the march, so that an intensive training together was not possible."<br>
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-"Despite a huge amount of paper-warfare, which included the Bavarian State Chancellery, the Italian consulate general and the district of Suebia, we have not received a licence to carry arms from the Italian authorities right to the present day."<br>
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We had EXACTLY the same problems during the preparations for our project. The lack of a licence to carry arms almost led to a minor catastrophy when an Italian policeman thought of arresting the whole group at Franzensfeste near Brixen. We called the vice-chancellor of our university with a cell-phone and he managed to talk us out of this situation.<br>
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Florian Himmler (not related!)
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#8
Ave,<br>
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Well Flavius, a fantastic job. I look anxiuosly forward to you gear photos, and text in English. Very very very cool thing to do. I wonder if I could organize something like that in California...<br>
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What did you do for camping? tents?<br>
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Vale, Florentius <p></p><i></i>
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#9
Ok, the first bits and pieces are online !<br>
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Go to www.legion-regensburg.de , then start "vorlaeufige Version". You will find the following entries:<br>
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-Kurzbeschreibung (a longer short version)<br>
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-Panzerung (armour)<br>
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-Guertel (belts)<br>
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-Schwertgurte (belts appear but should be baldrics - the error is being corrected!)<br>
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-Helme (helmets)<br>
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-Schuhwerk (footwear)<br>
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All on pdf. Downloading the chapter on footwear may take some time due to the many images.<br>
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Yes, we used tents for camping. They were made from canvas, since leather tents would have finally exploded our overstretched financial budget. Only a minority slept on straw during the first days, the others used foldable camp beds "because a civilized man needs a proper bed" . The minority became a majority within only one week when more and more participants found out how wonderfully comfortable a bed of hay can be (this was definitely not the case with the field beds). Only a handful kept on sleeping on field beds, but since they suffered from hay fever it can be excused.<br>
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We could not get hay twice and this meant a hard night on a sheepskin rug (except for the field bed army).<br>
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Vale <p></p><i></i>
Florian Himmler (not related!)
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#10
A short description of the baldrics ("Schwertgurte") and a translation of Ritterling's article about III ITAL have been added to our homepage. <p></p><i></i>
Florian Himmler (not related!)
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#11
Congratulations!<br>
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A great idea for re-enactment activities!<br>
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The re-enactment cannot be only “weekend camping’s and fashionâ€ÂÂ
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#12
Wonderful!<br>
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I've been cruising around your pages, and I just love your work. I think the trek must have been so much fun. The gear all looks beautiful, and it is fascinating to hear the obstacles you had to overcome- mostly human it seems.<br>
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Well, I hope you keep adding pics. Keep up the very good work.<br>
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Florentius <p></p><i></i>
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#13
Greetings Flavius,<br>
I am glad to see your project was a success, and sorry I could not have joined you, or offered more asistance, due to my sudden departure from Germany. Are you accepting recruits for the Portugal expedition? That would be something worth coming to do. There are probably several of us here in the U.S. with proper period kit that may be interested.<br>
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An what about the Roman warship you are building? I am sure people here will want to hear about it!<br>
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All the best,<br>
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Dan <p></p><i></i>
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#14
The trek was indeed fun, but not all the time. The best thing of a day of marching was the arrival: a welcome comitee, interested visitors, a warm meal, occasionally a shower, and the prospect of getting this ******** armour and the luggage off ! Marching itself was less pleasant, of course. Days of rest were nice if the number of visitors was not too large, and if there were not too many repairs to do.<br>
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However, some of the guys regained too much strength during days of rest and started "serious discussions" on various trifles.<br>
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I now have more time for myself and have started painting my scutum - voila !<br>
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<img src="http://www.legion-regensburg.de/scutum.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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Ooops, a little large...<br>
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The stork was the symbol of III ITALICA; the eagle with laurel wreath, thunderbolt and globe is based on a motiv from a shield-boss from Romania; the colours are from the 'Tertiani' in the Notitia Dignitatum (III ITALICA's field army branch);<br>
the embellishments from the famous Dura-Europos rectangular.<br>
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Hope you like it<br>
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Cetobrigus, this Portugal project sounds great and I can imagine it to be a real challenge. We marched through rather densely populated areas and seldom had trouble in getting supplies, but secluded valleys in the Portuguese mountains are probably something different.<br>
Be VERY careful with faked battles, though. After several hours of marching we were usually not in the best mood and would probably have reacted with brutal violence. I can remember the angry murmur in our group when Italian bicyclists continually shouted their "ave chisare...". They were certainly nice chaps but nobody should provoke sweating Romans on the march... <p></p><i></i>
Florian Himmler (not related!)
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#15
Hi Dan, overlooked your comment, sorry.<br>
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Thank you for the support ! I'm glad you like what we have achieved. But I am the wrong addressee for the Portugal expedition - that's the project of cetobrigus !<br>
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Our warship has already been completed and has successfully passed the first test trials (there has been a post on RAT some time ago).<br>
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Here are some new images:<br>
<img src="http://www.navis-lusoria.de/fotos/IMG_0610.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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<img src="http://www.navis-lusoria.de/fotos/IMG_0609.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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Technical specifications:<br>
length - ca. 20 m<br>
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width - ca. 2,7 m<br>
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draught - ca. 40 cm (depends on amount of cargo)<br>
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crew - 30 rowers, helmsman (= commander), rowing master (Mr. Wallisch, a real boatswain !), a few guys for the rigging, 2-3 archers.<br>
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1 square sail of 25 m2 (used only under favourable conditions)<br>
The ship was able to sail against the current with a tailwind, although the wind velocity was not high.<br>
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top speed under oars - once 5.1 knots (ca. 9,5 km/h) after several weeks of training. A Roman crew could have reached more than 7 knots (if only for a few minutes).<br>
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And Aitor, I know you don't like the dragon's head, but the Neumagen wineships had very similar ones :<br>
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<img src="http://www.dbg.rt.bw.schule.de/lehrer/streiten/latein/stfahrt/trier01/wein.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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Florian Himmler (not related!)
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