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Show here your Roman soldier impression
Paul,

As far as the photo is attached, thank you for sharing. I too had not seen this sculpture in that much detail.

I know of the evidence of the fascia with respect to "off-duty" soldiers where they wear the fascia over their tunic followed by the belts. However, with respect to wearing this article of clothing over the armor and citing the Vacheres warrior, IMO, is not very good evidence. It's being worn by a person whose identity is questionable. If cavalry, then I do not think infantry reenactors should be wearing it. If it is a Celt dressing like a Roman, he may have added his own flair. To this end, I would not be running around with a fascia as an article of widespread use over armor. Over the tunic, is another story. Even the article by MC Bishop attached did not really claim use over the armor. As a matter of fact, he asks why it is not depicted with armor. I would think that if the Vacheres warrior was good evidence, it would have been included by Dr. Bishop.

However, with respect to the Vacheres Warrior details, the supposed fascia does not go around the entire waist. On the front facing picture there is no such indication since it's not there (at least when I look at it). Most reenactors that I have seen wear this fascia over the mail with the belt over it where some of the fascia appears above and below the edges of the belt. On the profile picture of this sculpture, this fascia does not go above the upper edge of the belt. It appears as a small piece on the lower part of the belt and by the sword. Is it not possible that its presence by the sword is to avoid the scabbard from having direct contact with the mail.
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Paolo
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Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 05-12-2004, 03:57 PM
Happy to Oblige! - by Mithras - 05-12-2004, 08:57 PM
Re: Happy to Oblige! - by Anonymous - 05-12-2004, 10:42 PM
Re: Happy to Oblige! - by Jasper Oorthuys - 05-13-2004, 12:07 PM
Re: Happy to Oblige! - by Jasper Oorthuys - 05-13-2004, 01:39 PM
Re: Happy to Oblige! - by aitor iriarte - 05-14-2004, 05:03 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 05-14-2004, 11:35 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 05-15-2004, 08:18 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 05-17-2004, 07:31 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 06-03-2004, 08:37 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 06-03-2004, 11:26 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 06-03-2004, 11:41 PM
impression - by Anonymous - 06-04-2004, 02:13 PM
Re: impression - by TITVS SABATINVS AQVILIVS - 06-04-2004, 02:29 PM
images - by Anonymous - 06-05-2004, 12:48 AM
A pic of me... - by TIBISIVS - 06-06-2004, 03:42 PM
Re: A pic of me... - by aitor iriarte - 06-07-2004, 05:47 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 06-07-2004, 04:01 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 06-08-2004, 08:05 AM
Samnite - by Anonymous - 06-15-2004, 09:03 PM
Re: Samnite - by Dan Diffendale - 06-15-2004, 11:14 PM
Samnites - by Anonymous - 06-16-2004, 01:42 AM
Re: Samnite - by Robert Vermaat - 06-16-2004, 06:06 AM
Samnite - by Anonymous - 06-16-2004, 03:15 PM
Re: Samnite - by Dan Diffendale - 06-16-2004, 03:41 PM
Samnite - by Ivlivs·Aemilivs·Celer - 06-17-2004, 01:28 AM
Re: Samnite - by Dan Diffendale - 06-17-2004, 04:45 AM
Re: Roman aquilifer impression - by Anonymous - 07-03-2004, 10:33 AM
my pic - by FAVENTIANVS - 07-04-2004, 05:54 PM
Re: my pic - by Robert Vermaat - 07-06-2004, 04:53 AM
Re: my pic - by Anonymous - 07-06-2004, 11:59 AM
impression - by Anonymous - 07-08-2004, 08:08 PM
Re: impression - by FAVENTIANVS - 07-09-2004, 01:48 PM
Re: impression - by Anonymous - 07-11-2004, 06:34 AM
Re: impression - by Anonymous - 07-11-2004, 02:57 PM
Re: impression - by aitor iriarte - 07-12-2004, 04:47 AM
Lucius\' pics - by aitor iriarte - 07-15-2004, 09:13 AM
Re: Lucius\' pics - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 07-15-2004, 09:21 AM
Re: Lucius\' pics - by aitor iriarte - 07-15-2004, 09:34 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 09-02-2004, 09:25 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 09-03-2004, 11:56 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 09-27-2004, 11:45 AM
New look - by FAVENTIANVS - 09-27-2004, 04:53 PM
Re: New look - by Robert Vermaat - 09-27-2004, 09:57 PM
Re: New look - by FAVENTIANVS - 09-28-2004, 10:16 AM
Re: New look - by Robert Vermaat - 09-28-2004, 02:25 PM
Re: New look - by FAVENTIANVS - 09-28-2004, 05:48 PM
Re: New look - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-28-2004, 10:27 PM
Re: New look - by Iulia Cassia Vegetia - 09-29-2004, 12:48 PM
Re: New look - by FAVENTIANVS - 09-30-2004, 09:35 PM
Re: New look - by Anonymous - 10-02-2004, 02:09 PM
Re: New look - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 10-03-2004, 05:31 PM
Re: New look - by Anonymous - 10-03-2004, 07:08 PM
Re: New look - by Anonymous - 10-09-2004, 01:14 AM
Re: New look - by Anonymous - 10-09-2004, 09:30 PM
1ST c IMPRESSION - by John M McDermott - 10-11-2004, 01:18 PM
go both ways - by Anonymous - 10-14-2004, 07:48 PM
me me me - by Anonymous - 10-16-2004, 02:31 PM
graham - by Anonymous - 10-16-2004, 02:33 PM
Re: graham - by Anonymous - 10-17-2004, 10:56 PM
Re: Late Roman - by Theodosius the Great - 01-27-2005, 08:13 PM
Re: Late Roman - by Jasper Oorthuys - 01-28-2005, 08:36 AM
Re: Late Roman - by Robert Vermaat - 01-28-2005, 10:22 AM
Other pics - by Theodosius the Great - 01-28-2005, 03:42 PM
Re: My pics - by Tarbicus - 01-28-2005, 04:17 PM
Re: My pics - by Caius Fabius - 01-28-2005, 11:46 PM
Re: My pics - by Jasper Oorthuys - 01-30-2005, 08:05 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 02-07-2005, 08:05 AM
Late Roman - by Theodosius the Great - 02-08-2005, 12:40 AM
Re: Late Roman - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 02-08-2005, 01:30 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 03-01-2005, 08:09 PM
Mithras and Co - by Anonymous - 03-05-2005, 12:00 PM
NEW IMAGE - by FAVENTIANVS - 03-08-2005, 10:55 PM
NEW IMAGE - by Theodosius the Great - 03-09-2005, 12:03 AM
Re: NEW IMAGE - by aitor iriarte - 03-09-2005, 06:58 AM
Re: NEW IMAGE - by Robert Vermaat - 03-10-2005, 11:15 AM
Re: NEW IMAGE - by FAVENTIANVS - 03-10-2005, 04:17 PM
Re: Mithras and Co - by Mithras - 03-16-2005, 01:06 PM
Re: Mithras and Co - by Anonymous - 03-16-2005, 01:57 PM
Re: Mithras and Co - by Mithras - 03-16-2005, 04:02 PM
New Pic of me with new Camera - by Anonymous - 03-26-2005, 04:01 PM
Re: New Pics w/ Improvements - by Robert Vermaat - 04-02-2005, 02:49 PM
Basis for the sagum - by FAVENTIANVS - 04-09-2005, 03:10 PM
It was this or golf - by Tarbicus - 04-25-2005, 07:51 AM
Augustean Legionary - by maritimus - 05-04-2005, 03:22 PM
Miles LEG I GER - by TIBISIVS - 05-04-2005, 09:33 PM
Focale - by Sandra/Viventia - 05-05-2005, 10:42 AM
republican - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 05-06-2005, 08:42 AM
Neuraleanus blowing his own horn - by Neuraleanus - 05-17-2005, 12:31 AM
The cornu gives a nice deep tone - by Neuraleanus - 05-18-2005, 03:24 PM
Aquilifer - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 06-02-2005, 05:46 AM
Parade Face Mask Helmet - by Sassanid - 06-03-2005, 10:20 PM
Three [roman] amigos - by Neuraleanus - 06-03-2005, 11:41 PM
Yes, late 1st century - by Neuraleanus - 06-04-2005, 01:17 PM
Danvm Shield use - by Peroni - 07-08-2005, 12:27 PM
Danum shield - by Antonius Lucretius - 07-08-2005, 12:31 PM
Doncaster shield - by Peroni - 07-11-2005, 02:52 PM
French site. - by Peroni - 07-12-2005, 09:47 AM
Vertical Grip - by Peroni - 07-13-2005, 12:20 PM
Italian Linen - by Iulia Cassia Vegetia - 12-23-2005, 05:02 AM
Re: Italian Linen - by tlclark - 12-27-2005, 03:55 PM
re - by Johnny Shumate - 02-01-2006, 03:09 AM
Subarmalis - by Peroni - 02-03-2006, 10:17 AM
Optio and Centurion - by Quintus Julius Furius - 04-14-2006, 09:42 AM
Sagittarius and velite - by Quintus Julius Furius - 04-14-2006, 09:50 AM
Numidian... - by Quintus Julius Furius - 04-14-2006, 09:51 AM
Impression Pic - by Gallus Marinus Micarius - 05-03-2006, 10:34 AM
Bellator Sempronious - by Bellator Sempronious - 07-09-2006, 03:01 AM
Gaius Messius - by Finlandese - 07-27-2006, 07:39 AM
Not a roman - by Folkert van Wijk - 08-25-2006, 09:57 AM
Roman Outfit - by RUBICON - 01-30-2007, 10:32 AM
Re: Roman Outfit - by Jvrjenivs - 01-30-2007, 01:44 PM
legio X officers - by John M McDermott - 03-01-2007, 12:24 AM
Legio X troops - by John M McDermott - 03-03-2007, 06:25 PM
Legio XF action photo - by John M McDermott - 03-05-2007, 04:13 PM
Took me long enough - by lvcivs - 03-08-2007, 10:21 PM
Re: legio X officers - by Theodosius the Great - 03-12-2007, 06:48 AM
impressions - by Mac - 04-10-2007, 09:20 PM
Re: impressions - by Marcus Mummius - 04-10-2007, 10:50 PM
picture - by Mac - 04-12-2007, 12:32 AM
Posting Pics - by Doc - 04-23-2007, 05:02 PM
Re: show us your roman impression - by Mithras - 06-04-2007, 10:20 PM
bow - by Graham Sumner - 06-08-2007, 09:55 PM
post subjet - by Gaius Longius - 06-13-2007, 06:25 PM
CHESTER - by Graham Sumner - 06-14-2007, 09:28 PM
Re: CHESTER - by Et tu brute - 06-15-2007, 08:38 AM
My Legionary Impression - by Gaius_Calvus - 07-16-2007, 01:48 PM
Auxiliary Impression - by Gaius_Calvus - 07-16-2007, 01:53 PM
WEDDING - by Graham Sumner - 09-10-2007, 03:54 PM
musculata response - by Tribune Valerius - 10-01-2007, 08:47 AM
Legio XF Centurion - by John M McDermott - 10-15-2007, 04:41 PM
Republican impression - by John M McDermott - 04-05-2008, 07:02 PM
Marcus and I - by Neuraleanus - 05-03-2008, 07:05 PM
Roman event - by Paullus Scipio - 06-30-2008, 07:22 PM
Impression - by Tiberius - 07-17-2008, 06:52 PM
TUNICS - by Graham Sumner - 07-31-2008, 07:26 PM
Shield work - by Aemilianus - 08-05-2008, 09:49 PM
about different equipment - by Aemilianus - 08-05-2008, 10:10 PM
Shoes - by Aemilianus - 08-06-2008, 05:38 AM
Early Batavian Impression - by Gaius_Calvus - 10-14-2008, 07:32 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by strawberry jelly - 02-15-2009, 03:59 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by nagmar - 03-03-2010, 02:32 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Volusius Vetonianus - 07-11-2010, 10:13 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by ambract - 12-29-2010, 06:34 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Gaius Decius Aquilius - 02-21-2011, 09:00 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Doc - 04-26-2011, 01:04 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Antonivs Cvrro Graecvs - 05-21-2011, 10:55 PM
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