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Late roman belt set from Traprain Law, Scotland - Agraes - 05-21-2013
This would likely have been an officer belt, I think there is no problem for common soldiers to wear a cingulum with brass/bronze fittings.
It is not a common type. I choosed it because the hoard is 5th century (of course the belt fittings could be earlier) and the buckle shape is very similar to finds from Brittany and Cornwall. I portray a late/sub/post-Roman brittonic chieftain from late 5th century Brittany. And I hope to get more and more 'bling', thinking about how men such as Riothamus or Ambrosius Aurelianus could have looked like.
Late roman belt set from Traprain Law, Scotland - Flavivs Aetivs - 05-22-2013
Quote:This would likely have been an officer belt, I think there is no problem for common soldiers to wear a cingulum with brass/bronze fittings.
It is not a common type. I choosed it because the hoard is 5th century (of course the belt fittings could be earlier) and the buckle shape is very similar to finds from Brittany and Cornwall. I portray a late/sub/post-Roman brittonic chieftain from late 5th century Brittany. And I hope to get more and more 'bling', thinking about how men such as Riothamus or Ambrosius Aurelianus could have looked like.
Yeah, I want to hopefully get an impression good enough to be Aetius himself. Need to keep harassing the neighbors with lawn mowing flyers first! :lol:
Late roman belt set from Traprain Law, Scotland - M. Demetrius - 05-22-2013
You missed your chance to hit the PowerBall, so yep. Back to the door flyers. 8)
Late roman belt set from Traprain Law, Scotland - Medicus matt - 05-24-2013
Like Robert, I've been well aware of this one for a long time and wasn't aware that it wasn't widely known.
It should be remembered that this is a hoard of silver items from all over the place, made up of bits of 50 bowls, 28 dishes, 10 pitchers, 8 other vessels and about 50 smaller objects and fragments and there's no way of knowing whether that buckle was ever worn locally or aquired somewhere else and deposited as part of the hoard.
Curle reckoned that the whole lot was the loot left by Germanic pirates and that some of the items (the buckle inlcuded) were Visigoth in origin.
Late roman belt set from Traprain Law, Scotland - Robert Vermaat - 06-17-2013
Quote:This would likely have been an officer belt, I think there is no problem for common soldiers to wear a cingulum with brass/bronze fittings.
It is not a common type. I choosed it because the hoard is 5th century (of course the belt fittings could be earlier) and the buckle shape is very similar to finds from Brittany and Cornwall. I portray a late/sub/post-Roman brittonic chieftain from late 5th century Brittany. And I hope to get more and more 'bling', thinking about how men such as Riothamus or Ambrosius Aurelianus could have looked like.
I came across an artickle by Michael Kazanski (2007), on p. 256 there are more of these buckles:
http://www.academia.edu/1930550/M._Kazanski_I._Akhmedov_La_tombe_de_Mundoslheim_Bas-Rhin_un_chef_militaire_nomade_au_service_de_Rome._In_Barbaren_im_Wandel._Beitrage_zur_Kultur-_und_Identitatsumbildung_in_der_Volkerwanderungszeit._Brno_2007_p._173-197
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Late roman belt set from Traprain Law, Scotland - Agraes - 06-17-2013
Laudes Robert. So it looks like those buckles were made in limes factories in the first half of the 5th century. Especially in Pannonia, but possibly in Germania and Gaul aswell? Maybe this kind of buckle was originally for the limitanei units. That would explain why a similar shape but with Quoit Brooch decoration found its way on the Tractus armoricanus. We may have the last generation of late roman buckles in the west?
Late roman belt set from Traprain Law, Scotland - Robert Vermaat - 06-17-2013
Kazanski thought this was from a Hunnic warrior? My French is not that good).
PS this was mentioned on the Armes forum.. :whistle:
Late roman belt set from Traprain Law, Scotland - Flavivs Aetivs - 06-17-2013
If dating from the 5th century that's possible; Aetius and Litorius both had Hunnic Bucellarii and operated in Armorica fighting Rebels in the 430's and 440's. However, they probably would have been supplied high quality with Roman equipment
Late roman belt set from Traprain Law, Scotland - Agraes - 06-17-2013
A Hunnic warrior but equipped with a roman buckle
Evan: no exact buckle of that kind was found in Brittany and the one in Traprain is an outlier. But the shape of several buckle frames found in Brittany and adorned with 'Quoit Brooch style' decoration is somewhat similar. Not the same type but it may have a common origin, yet it is roman and possibly germanic, not steppic
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Late roman belt set from Traprain Law, Scotland - Flavivs Aetivs - 06-17-2013
Yeah I understand.
RE: Late roman belt set from Traprain Law, Scotland - Flavivs Aetivs - 10-03-2016
So news and necropost: this buckle, in fact this whole typology of buckles, is Hunnic. It's more evidence for Hun influence on the 5th century Roman military. They come from a typology that originates in the Eurasian Steppes; a contemporary example from Volnikovka in Russia has a complete set of buckle and stiffeners that wrap all the way around the belt.