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Re: SCALES the fast way - LVCIVS VVLPES - 11-28-2007

Staple in place

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ready to bent the first leg

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first leg down

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Luc

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Re: SCALES the fast way - Theodosius the Great - 11-28-2007

Hello Luc,

Thanks for your answer.

That's impressive, the way the plates can bend vertically. I wonder, how well do they bend horizontally ? Not that much, I imagine, since the armor looks stiff in the second photo where it's hanging off the side of the chair (in the foreground).

Is this why you're convinced that you need simple scales to complete a shirt ?

~Theo

Re: SCALES the fast way - LVCIVS VVLPES - 11-28-2007

second one down

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here I ad the last scales on the collar

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The finished collar

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Quote:That's impressive, the way the plates can bend vertically. I wonder, how well do they bend horizontally ? Not that much, I imagine, since the armor looks stiff in the second photo where it's hanging off the side of the chair (in the foreground).

Is this why you're convinced that you need simple scales to complete a shirt ?


Theo, yes, when they are bend one way they are very stiff the other way, more like a muscle cuirasse
on the photo's the plate's are bent top - bottom, left - right, and front

Cheers

Luc

Re: SCALES the fast way - Robert Vermaat - 11-28-2007

Quote:The finished collar
Impressive! How long did it take you to staple that collar? Can we see a picture of how it falls across the shoulders?

Re: SCALES the fast way - Crispvs - 11-28-2007

Luc,

I think that is the first reconstruction of the Carlisle scale collar that I have so far seen - well done!

Crispvs

Re: SCALES the fast way - Franklin - 11-28-2007

Quote:Luc,

I think that is the first reconstruction of the Carlisle scale collar that I have so far seen - well done!

Crispvs

I was thinking the same thing. Looks almost identical to the Carlisle X-ray.

Re: SCALES the fast way - Sextus Aurelius Propertiu - 11-28-2007

Hi Luc

Actually very impressive ! One "how to make very useful" for all roman reenactors . Congratulations and laudes for you again Luc

Sextus aurelius Propertius

aka Eric-Alexandre P.

Re: SCALES the fast way - LVCIVS VVLPES - 11-28-2007

Quote:How long did it take you to staple that collar

Robert, it took me around 5 hours to assemble the collar, on the photo you see the collar on the mannequin where it is made for,( its for a museum display)
you can make it to fit every shoulder angle.

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Crispus, Franklin and Eric-Alexandre Thanks

Eric-Alexandre are you going to Marle in June 2008 ?

Cheers

Luc

Re: SCALES the fast way - Publius Aelius Lucius - 11-29-2007

Hi Luc Big Grin

a very beautiful work and a really very good instruction 8) congratulation and laudes for you Big Grin

Re: SCALES the fast way - Robert Vermaat - 11-29-2007

Quote:you can make it to fit every shoulder angle.
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Is it possible to move the shoulders freely without the collar cutting into the neck? How stiff is it?

Re: SCALES the fast way - Matt Lukes - 11-29-2007

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Matt Lukes:2s1kdpk2 Wrote:Cool- but is there any reason to believe they're from soldiers' armor? That's the issue, not whether or not iron scales existed.

errgh...

so you doubt that

a) the iron scales were part of an armour

or

b) that armour made of iron scales were worn by soldiers?

Do we have any evidence that other elements of the roman society wore armour othen than soldiers? I can't recall any but that doesn't mean none exists, just I'm not aware of it.

I didn't say I doubted anything- I asked a question :lol: a) is just silly- of course they're armour but b) is a question that's out there- read Simon James' Dura Europos Report and he expresses some doubt as to whether any of the iron scales were for armours other than horse trappers. So I asked if there was reason to believe these scales you mentioned are from soldiers' armour- is that unreasonable?

Re: SCALES the fast way - Tarbicus - 11-29-2007

The Carlisle scale 'collar' is iron.

http://www.carlislemillenniumdig.co.uk/pages/armour.htm

Just to finish the argument.

Unless it was a horse collar....

Re: SCALES the fast way - LVCIVS VVLPES - 11-29-2007

Thanks Martin,

Robert, Its a bit stiffer than your scale collar, but this is only the hardware the leather doubling and collar are yet to be sewn on, there will be no danger of cutting your neck :wink:

Cheers

Luc

Re: SCALES the fast way - Iosephus - 11-29-2007

well, I wouldn't say unreasonable, but first I found the idea strange that other than soldiers would wear any armour (than I looked up the dictionary for the meaning of horse trapper... :oops: ).

By the way:

Luc, very nice collars you have made, congrat! (do we have an emote icon for envy?)

Re: SCALES the fast way - Caballo - 11-29-2007

Heres a thought/ theory.

The collar would be worn in conjunction with the greaves. Reason being would be that the underlapping greaves are great at deflecting a blade or spear, but risk deflecting it up towards the head or neck.

The head is protected by the helmet, and the neck by the scale collar.

(Similarly, gladiators without a helmet but wearing a manica often wear a shoulder guard for the same reason- to stop a weapon strike being deflected towards the head and neck).

What do you think?

Cheers

Caballlo