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Hoplomacus helmet - hephestus - 04-13-2008
Salvete friends
this is my last work
hoplomacus helmet
Sheet iron thickness 2 mm.
![[Image: Elmo.Myrmillo.jpg]](http://www.hephestus.net/Elmo.Myrmillo.jpg)
Re: Hoplomacus helmet - LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 04-13-2008
Bello lavoro!
One question. How do you made the border? I always be intrigued about that.
Re: Hoplomacus helmet - jvrjenivs - 04-14-2008
Very nice helmet. Well done!
Re: Hoplomacus helmet - hephestus - 04-14-2008
Thanks
Quote:Bello lavoro!
One question. How do you made the border? I always be intrigued about that.
The board is made with double-woven wire and wrought iron hot.I do so because I do not like the folded sheet.
![[Image: Dscn0502.jpg]](http://www.hephestus.net/Dscn0502.jpg)
Valete
Re: Hoplomacus helmet - PhilusEstilius - 04-14-2008
I would like to know how you fix the twisted wire boader to the metal, a little more information would be very interesting. I am a Roman armourer or rather I like to think so after having made this kind of thing for some 30years now.
Re: Hoplomacus helmet - LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 04-14-2008
An the twisted wire are then soldered to the helmet?
Re: Hoplomacus helmet - garrelt - 04-14-2008
Nice Helmet.
2mm thick is quite suitable for full contact combat.
But isn't the decorative rim 15th/16th century ?
Or is there a surviving hoplomacus helmet whith such a rim.
Re: Hoplomacus helmet - Olaf - 04-14-2008
There is just one complete example of this helmet which is on display in the Pergamonmuseum Berlin with a matching short greave:
[url:1uq1ubzd]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/2005-12-28_Berlin_Pergamon_museum_Gladiator_helmet.jpg[/url]
Junkelmann consideres the Berlin example a late advancement of a Murmillo helmet.
Similar constructed helmets with a griffin protone are depicted in iconography and pottery.
Visor grates matching the Berlin example have also been found in London, Budapest and Carnuntum.
Re: Hoplomacus helmet - LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 04-14-2008
OHHH! All the surface of the helmet is covered in a grill pattern "punctim".
Crono?
Re: Hoplomacus helmet - hephestus - 04-14-2008
Quote:Nice Helmet.Yes, the helmet is for full contact. At the top of the cap reaches 2.5 mm thick
2mm thick is quite suitable for full contact combat.
But isn't the decorative rim 15th/16th century ?
Or is there a surviving hoplomacus helmet whith such a rim.
Indeed, the wire is twisted an aesthetic choice.
It 'was a beautiful experience
Quote:An the twisted wire are then soldered to the helmet?It is welded with hot pasta and sealing beating
Valete
Quote:There is just one complete example of this helmet which is on display in the Pergamonmuseum Berlin:
[url:2skyovyk]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/2005-12-28_Berlin_Pergamon_museum_Gladiator_helmet.jpg[/url]
Junkelmann consideres the Berlin example a late advancement of a Myrmillo helmet.
Similar constructed helmets with a griffin protone are depicted in iconography and pottery.
Visor grates matching the Berlin example have also been found. (More this evening)
Right, I found this
![[Image: murmillo%20visor.JPG]](http://www.sheshen-eceni.co.uk/images/murmillo%20visor.JPG)
on this site
And says:A finely decorated bronze two-piece visor of Murmillo gladiator helmet. 1st - 2nd century AD. (British Museum).
Re: Hoplomacus helmet - garrelt - 04-15-2008
Quote:Indeed, the wire is twisted an aesthetic choice.
It 'was a beautiful experience.
Ok, that is clear.
Are you also going to make an other version without the crest, which you sometimes see on a mosaic?
Or is this a completly different helmet.?
Re: Hoplomacus helmet - hephestus - 04-15-2008
Quote:Are you also going to make an other version without the crest, which you sometimes see on a mosaic?
Or is this a completly different helmet.?
No, it was a different helmet, generally provocator
Re: Hoplomacus helmet - Medusa Gladiatrix - 04-15-2008
Like Olaf had already pointed out the helmet is a murmillo helmet, by the shape Junkelmann (in his old edition) dates it to late 2nd/early 3rd century. Murmillo helmets can be easily identified by the angled crest while hoplomachus and thraex helmets have a curved crest decorated very often with a griffin protome.
If you follow hephestus's link in his first post, it definitely says on his homepage Murmillo.
Re: Hoplomacus helmet - hephestus - 04-15-2008
Quote:Like Olaf had already pointed out the helmet is a murmillo helmet, by the shape Junkelmann (in his old edition) dates it to late 2nd/early 3rd century. Murmillo helmets can be easily identified by the angled crest while hoplomachus and thraex helmets have a curved crest decorated very often with a griffin protome.Ave Domina,
If you follow hephestus's link in his first post, it definitely says on his homepage Murmillo.
You are right, this is what I think also, but there are many different versions. I agree with the version of Junkelmann.
That is why I called it in my web site "Murmillo"
Vale