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??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ??? - Crocus - 05-06-2008
Hello!
I just recently heard (!) of a find of a nearly complete Roman soldier somewhere in Bulgaria/Romania/(???) only a couple of years ago.
hock: Does anybody know about this or is this just merely mythology? Or maybe simply unpublished?
valete!
crocus
Re: ??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ??? - aitor iriarte - 05-06-2008
Welcome to RAT, Crocus
It would be fine if what you mention would turn out to be true 8)
In the meantime, please add at least your real first name to your signature :wink:
Aitor
Re: ??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ??? - Crocus - 05-06-2008
Aitor
sorry, I improved this, actually I was in a bit of a hurry and didn't see these profile options.
Hm...regarding my topic I am still not convinced either way, my "source" is quiete reliable but, alas, only human and by this of course can be wrong.
crocvs
Re: ??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ??? - Marcus Cassius LegioXIV - 05-07-2008
Now, I guess this is more of another question here, but has anyone ALSO heard of Roman soldiers "I guess maybe more like 1 to 3" found in wells, sink holes, and any other type of hole, natural or man made?
For some reason I thought I remember hearing of this from people who do cave exploring, but I could be wrong or they were soldiers for other eras close to the Roman time period.
Find of Roman soldier in Eastern Europe - Paullus Scipio - 05-07-2008
Remains of Roman (and Persian) soldiers were found in the tunnel/mine under the walls of Dura Europos, but I have never read the details which may well be somewhere on Yale University's vast site ( as is much of the Dura stuff)....anybody seen the detailed reports?
Re: ??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ??? - Gaius Julius Caesar - 05-07-2008
These have been spoken about here in a couple of threads, plus there was a soldier found down a well but cannot be 100% about the location, who came to a untimely end. The chap in the well was either in england or holland/germany.
Re: ??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ??? - brennivs - tony drake - 05-07-2008
Gaivs I think it is Velsen in Holland 28 AD and in Lyon france 197 AD that there was a well burials too that spring to mind
Regards Brennivs
Re: ??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ??? - PhilusEstilius - 05-07-2008
There was indeed a complete skeleton found in a well at Velsen in Holland Byron, the remarkable thing with this one was that he still had his belt and dagger on him no armour tho'. There is a very good write up on this in the a ROMEC BAR international series 476 of 1989 edited by C. van Driel-Murray. It does indeed show the very well known Velsen Dagger with all of it's details, there is also much evidence about the belt and how it had been up graded from tinned plates to being given silver foil covering. There are many other articles of great interest from this particular ROMEC.
Re: ??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ??? - L C Cinna - 05-07-2008
Info on the equipment of the soldier found near Lugdunum can also be found in Bishop & Coulston RME.
Re: ??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ??? - Crocus - 05-07-2008
As there was a lorica (supposedly sent to a well known German museum for restoration) involved Mike Bishop might have heard anything?
I was often told about unknown "treasures" buried in museum cellars which wait for "publication" or even more simply "inspection".
So the notion I got by talking to some "pros" is that there are many pieces and finds unknown to the public and sometimes even to the scientific world beyond hearsay.
(this may or may not be considered as a valid point since I found that also (or especially?) in the field of ancient history/archeology different finds/opinions are argued over in a rather personal way)
regards
Re: ??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ??? - mcbishop - 05-07-2008
Quote:As there was a lorica (supposedly sent to a well known German museum for restoration) involved Mike Bishop might have heard anything?
There may be several different things being confused here. The lorica seg body hoops from Stillfried (from a native site in that part of Austria north of the Danube) were conserved by the RGZM and I have seen those.
There was a rumour of a complete lorica seg some years ago from U.T. Sarmizegetusa and I have indeed seen a photo of a near-complete armguard from there (much more complete than any of the Carlisle examples), but do not know if there are two interwoven stories or just one elaborated with time (so a lorica seg AND an armguard, or an armguard that becomes a lorica seg with the telling - who knows?).
Mike Bishop
Re: ??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ??? - Crocus - 05-07-2008
Quote:There may be several different things being confused here. The lorica seg body hoops from Stillfried (from a native site in that part of Austria north of the Danube) were conserved by the RGZM and I have seen those.
There was a rumour of a complete lorica seg some years ago from U.T. Sarmizegetusa and I have indeed seen a photo of a near-complete armguard from there (much more complete than any of the Carlisle examples), but do not know if there are two interwoven stories or just one elaborated with time (so a lorica seg AND an armguard, or an armguard that becomes a lorica seg with the telling - who knows?).
Mike Bishop
Thank You Mike!
I estimate your answer is probably as much as can be said about this story. Topic closed.
Re: ??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ??? - Crispvs - 05-09-2008
The details of the soldiers in the Dura mine can be found in the final reports series, specifically the one dealing with the siege mines dug under towers 5 and 19 (I think the volume may be number 5 and is entitled 'The Siege Mines'). I have a copy of the report but sadly it is 12,000 miles away in New Zealand right now.
You should be able to find the reference in Bishop and Coulston's bibliography.
Crispvs
Re: ??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ??? - aitor iriarte - 05-09-2008
It is unclear if the Lyon remains were a fallen soldier, buried hastily, or a more formal, dressed, burial.
If I recall well, the crushed remains of a Roman soldier wearing segmentata were discovered at Gamala, Israel :?
Aitor
Re: ??? find of (nearly) complete Soldier in Eastern Europe ??? - Gaius Julius Caesar - 05-09-2008
That is a new one on me Aitor, an articles or pictures?