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RE: Plumbata - Renatus - 01-21-2021 Robert, Did I imagine it or did I see a year or two ago that you had written an article on plumbatae for some publication? If you did, I would be most interested to have the reference. RE: Plumbata - Robert Vermaat - 01-21-2021 (01-21-2021, 05:09 PM)Renatus Wrote: Robert, Ehmm.. my latest is but an encyclopaedia entry and dates back to 2015? My general publications need an update (working on that): Vermaat (2005): La Plumbata: nouvelle arme de l'Antiquité tardive, in: L'Archéologue 80, pp. 42-4. https://www.academia.edu/30525857/Vermaat_Robert_M._2005_La_Plumbata_nouvelle_arme_de_lAntiquit%C3%A9_tardive_in_LArch%C3%A9ologue_80_pp._42-4 Vermaat, Robert M. (2008) : Plumbata. De dartpijl van het Late Romeinse Rijk, in: Momentum 2.2 (mei 2008), pp. 31-34. https://www.academia.edu/30510554/Vermaat_Robert_M._2008_Plumbata._De_dartpijl_van_het_Late_Romeinse_Rijk_in_Momentum_2.2_mei_2008_pp._31-4 Vermaat , Robert M. (2015): 'plumbatae' in Y. Le Bohec et al. (edd.), The Encyclopedia of the Roman Army (Chichester/Malden), pp. 754-756. https://www.academia.edu/30510676/plumbatae_in_Y._LE_BOHEC_et_al._edd._The_Encyclopedia_of_the_Roman_Army_Chichester_Malden_MA_2015_ RE: Plumbata - Renatus - 01-21-2021 Thank you, Robert. It was the last one that I was thinking of. I recognise it now. Thanks for the link. RE: Plumbata - Renatus - 02-02-2021 (01-20-2021, 08:22 PM)Robert Vermaat Wrote: Finally, as promised above, a list of all publications of plumbatae tests known to me: Here is another for your collection: J. Musty & P. Barker: Three plumbatae from Wroxeter, Shropshire, in: Antiquaries Journal 54 (1974), pp. 275-277 & pl. LVb. A type-written draft of this can be found online by putting 'Wroxeter plumbata' into Google. The Minerva reference that you gave only leads to the Minerva website. It seems to refer to David Sims' article 'Death on leaden wings' in Minerva , vol. 23, no. 3 (May/June 2012). Sims expanded his research into an e-book 'Plumbatae' but this is only available as a Kindle edition from Amazon. I see that A. Drake's 1994 report is unpublished but is it nevertheless available anywhere? RE: Plumbata - Robert Vermaat - 02-06-2021 (02-02-2021, 11:20 AM)Renatus Wrote: Here is another for your collection: Thanks for the tips, this was just the part of my bibliography that deals with manufacture and testing Yes, I have sine noticed that Minerva has pulled the direct link to that article online. I have a copy of course. Drake's article is not publicly available. But you can ask him for it no doubt. RE: Plumbata - Renatus - 02-06-2021 (02-06-2021, 12:46 PM)Robert Vermaat Wrote: Drake's article is not publicly available. But you can ask him for it no doubt. Would he be our Brennius? RE: Plumbata - Robert Vermaat - 02-06-2021 (02-06-2021, 02:21 PM)Renatus Wrote: Would he be our Brennius? He would indeed. RE: Plumbata - Renatus - 02-07-2021 Robert, Forgive me if this is already on your database but I have just spotted it online: https://theantiquescentreyork.co.uk/products/a-roman-military-artillery-plumbata RE: Plumbata - Renatus - 02-07-2021 And another on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-Ancient-Roman-Plumbata-weapon-iron-lead-/163645798240 And yet another. This looks very odd: https://www.ebay.ph/itm/Extremely-Rare-Roman-Legionary-Weapon-Short-Spear-Head-PLUMBATA-Iron-Lead-Pilum/224336070225 RE: Plumbata - Robert Vermaat - 02-07-2021 (02-07-2021, 03:10 PM)Renatus Wrote: This looks very odd: That last one was new to me. Indeed very odd. So odd, it leaves no room for a wooden shaft? RE: Plumbata - Renatus - 02-07-2021 (02-07-2021, 06:36 PM)Robert Vermaat Wrote: So odd, it leaves no room for a wooden shaft? There seems to be some blueish material that extends through the weight. Could the head have been set into a bronze(?) sleeve that originally extended below the weight to form a socket to attach it to the shaft? A repair job, perhaps. RE: Plumbata - Robert Vermaat - 02-08-2021 (02-07-2021, 09:55 PM)Renatus Wrote: There seems to be some blueish material that extends through the weight. Could the head have been set into a bronze(?) sleeve that originally extended below the weight to form a socket to attach it to the shaft? A repair job, perhaps. Very unlikely as no matter how you would contruct this, a weight needs to show holes at the front as well as the back.. Plus it's the most un-aerodynamic weight I have ever seen! RE: Plumbata - Renatus - 02-08-2021 (02-08-2021, 09:01 AM)Robert Vermaat Wrote: a weight needs to show holes at the front as well as the back.. Plus it's the most un-aerodynamic weight I have ever seen! I'm not sure that I understand the point of a hole being needed at the front. It's certainly un-aerodynamic, so what do you make of it? RE: Plumbata - Robert Vermaat - 02-09-2021 The weight sits on the missile so I would expect a hole on either end of it. I am not sure what to make of it. The partly torqued shaft is also odd. It's unlike anything I have ever seen, which makes me doubt it. RE: Plumbata - Renatus - 02-12-2021 (02-09-2021, 12:32 AM)Robert Vermaat Wrote: I am not sure what to make of it. The partly torqued shaft is also odd. It's unlike anything I have ever seen, which makes me doubt it. It's so odd that you might think that it has to be genuine. If it is indeed ancient, I doubt that it could have been made like that originally, which makes me think that it might be a field repair. Incidentally, I see from your latest list that we have our first example from Turkey. Do we have a context and/or a picture of it? |