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Re: Staff Sling - aitor iriarte - 06-11-2004

Paul, the only really 'difficult' element of a plumbata is the barbed iron tanged/socketed head. The other components are easy to make by anybody, even the plaster of Paris bivalve mould for casting the lead weight!<br>
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Aitor <p></p><i></i>

Re: Staff Sling - Crispvs - 06-15-2004

And have a word with Tony Drake at Arbeia about the head,<br>
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Crispvs <p></p><i></i>

Re: Staff Sling - aitor iriarte - 06-15-2004

Excellent armourer, give him my regards when you see him again!<br>
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Aitor <p></p><i></i>

Re: Staff Sling - Robert Vermaat - 06-15-2004

If you need pictures of British examples, contact me at fectioAThotmail.com<br>
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Valete,<br>
Valerius/Robert <p></p><i></i>

Re: plumbata - Robert Vermaat - 09-28-2005

Aitor,

(reviving an old thread here)
I had a good look at at De Rebus Bellicis again, and I noticed that our author, when describing the elusive plumbata et tribolata, does not mention the lead weight. Now of course, from the name alone you would expect this. But he describes both weapons in great detail, and indeed mentions the lead weight for the second (known) version, the plumbata mammilata. Would it be possible that the 'caltrop' version, if it existed at all, had only a caltrop for a weight? He says that it was "soldered on just below the point" , while the lead weight of the mammilata was "attached at the same point"

Your thoughts?

Re: plumbata - aitor iriarte - 09-28-2005

Posibly, Robert...
Anyway our surce here is too meagre and it would be easy to keep the tribulus in place using the lead weight than without it!

Aitor

Re: plumbata - Robert Vermaat - 09-28-2005

Quote:easy to keep the tribulus in place using the lead weight
Ah, but that's the beauty of a caltrop - it's always the right side up, so you would not need to keep it in place.
I agree with you, the source is too meagre. Personally, I don't think it ever existed, but I might construct one to see if it would work...

Re: plumbata - Robert Vermaat - 01-21-2006

I updated my webpage about How to.. make a Late Roman Plumbata

[Image: plumbata26.jpg]

Re: plumbata - Uwe Bahr - 01-23-2006

Hi Robert,

very interesting site, presumably I will never need to reconstruct a plumbata, but Your reconstruction instructions are always very entertaining; long time ago I repetedly visitied Your site with the construction of the late Roman flat scutum - the reason was the photo with the unrespectful spouse that was advised to ignore, a sort of humor, which is seized from the life in the middle. BTW, referring to the topic subject, have a look at Your PM's.

Greets - Uwe

Re: plumbata - Mithras - 01-23-2006

At Comitatus we just had an enjoyable training weekend. I have a short clip of a new recruit (Salvianus) trying out the plumbatae for the first time. He's throwing underarm, but some of us (me included) are beginning to favour the over-arm (throwing-knife-style) throw.

[url:3kdjcamf]http://www.comitatus.net/plumb1.AVI[/url]

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Re: plumbata - Dan Howard - 01-23-2006

There is an article about slinging plumbata (actually it is the kestros or cestrosphendone) in the RA Journal - Arms and Armour vol2, No 1 2005. pp79-86

Re: plumbata - Robert Vermaat - 01-23-2006

Quote:At Comitatus we just had an enjoyable training weekend. I have a short clip of a new recruit (Salvianus) trying out the plumbatae for the first time.
Nice to see. Your plumbatae are very short, aren't they?

Quote:He's throwing underarm, but some of us (me included) are beginning to favour the over-arm (throwing-knife-style) throw.
Why is that?

Re: plumbata - Robert Vermaat - 01-23-2006

Quote:There is an article about slinging plumbata (actually it is the kestros or cestrosphendone) in the RA Journal - Arms and Armour vol2, No 1 2005. pp79-86
I have been discussing this some time ago on slinging.org.
Could you get me a copy or a scan of the pages?

Re: plumbata - Mithras - 01-24-2006

Quote:Nice to see. Your plumbatae are very short, aren't they?

Yes, but we get very good ranges with them. Out to 70m. We have produced three others at various lengths to try them, but have not had chance yet ... Do you throw yours underarm? What range do you get?

Quote:Why is that?
Less unpredictability. And we were also needing direct fire at shorter ranges, for skirmish combat in the woods. The throwing-dagging technique gives great accuracy at shorter ranges and DOES NOT!!!!!! fly off backwards. :roll:

Re: plumbata - aitor iriarte - 01-24-2006

Yes, overarm offers the best results (we started throwing underarm too, but it was a fiasco :? )

Aitor