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2nd century centurion - Ioannis - 01-10-2009
Hi guys,
I've recently decided to move to Roman reenacting. I was thinking of going for a mid-2nd centurion (serving in Marcus Aurelius army during his campaigns to Germania).
As I haven't got much experience in Roman weaponry (blame the bloody Aegean Bronze and Iron Ages! :-)
Helmet: Imperial Italic G
Armour: Lorica hamata
Sword: Pompeii gladius
Many thanks!
Ioannis
Re: 2nd century centurion - FAVENTIANVS - 01-10-2009
http://30centimetros.org/Imagen/legiona ... urelio.jpg
Much better without the mail shoulder reinforcements... :wink:
Re: 2nd century centurion - Ioannis - 01-10-2009
Many thanks Ivan! But why without the reinforcements?
Btw, is the rest equipment OK?
Cheers!
Re: 2nd century centurion - Peroni - 01-10-2009
No shoulder doublings! These disappear in the early second century. Have a look at the armour types on the Column of MA.
The Italic G is of a Hadrianic date. I would suggest a Neiderbeiber or Italic H type. That said, the cross-braced helmet from Theilenhofen has a deposition date of about 180 AD IIRC. (The one I am wearing on my avatar)
A ring-pommel sword is equally accurate for this period.
Oval shield
The dagger depicted in the painting is 3rd Century. I would not use this type for MA period. I would make one of these as a sidearm..
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic. ... 792#223792
Re: 2nd century centurion - Ioannis - 01-10-2009
Cheers Adrian!
Is the Imperial Italic 'H' (Guttmann AG800) acceptable then?
Re: 2nd century centurion - Ioannis - 01-11-2009
Gosh, I expected a little bit more of feedback.
Many thanks to Faventianus and Peroni for their input. It's really surprising that they were the only two who could bother answering my questions.
I'm off this site for good...
To all my friends here, take care guys!
Re: 2nd century centurion - texascavtrooper - 01-11-2009
Sorry you fell that way. If I knew anything I would have told you what I knew. I think that most of the people on here do the same. Again sorry. The only recomendation I can give you is look at some of the Osprey books. Again sorry.
Bryan
Re: 2nd century centurion - FAVENTIANVS - 01-11-2009
Yes, no shoulder doublings!
This one too:
![[Image: legio1.jpg]](http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a25/Dennis134/legio1.jpg)
Re: 2nd century centurion - Magnus - 01-11-2009
Quote:Gosh, I expected a little bit more of feedback.
Many thanks to Faventianus and Peroni for their input. It's really surprising that they were the only two who could bother answering my questions.
I'm off this site for good...
To all my friends here, take care guys!
He didn't leave because only two people posted did he?
Adrian, I'm sure the itallic G would still be in use 20 - 30 or so years after it's found date...
Re: 2nd century centurion - Martin Moser - 01-11-2009
Quote:He didn't leave because only two people posted did he?
Reads like he did. He had given the community 28 hours to repond after all, didn't he ;-) )
Re: 2nd century centurion - Ioannis - 01-11-2009
Sorry guys I overreacted but yesterday I found out that one major grant proposal of mine was unsuccessful so I was really frustrated and angry. I shouldn't bring my anger and frustration to this community. My mistake...
Anyways, sorry once again and thanks for your useful comments.
Cheers,
Ioannis
kit - Graham Sumner - 01-11-2009
Quote:I've recently decided to move to Roman reenacting. I was thinking of going for a mid-2nd centurion (serving in Marcus Aurelius army during his campaigns to Germania).
As I haven't got much experience in Roman weaponry (blame the bloody Aegean Bronze and Iron Ages! ),
Quote:Gosh, I expected a little bit more of feedback.
Many thanks to Faventianus and Peroni for their input. It's really surprising that they were the only two who could bother answering my questions.
It is not a case of simply not bothering. In spite of years of research it is not easy to suddenly come up with detailed instructions for a highly accurate kit just like that. It could in all honesty take weeks if not years to supply all the detailed information you might want.
Sure an easy answer would be to get an illustration from a popular book and say copy that but in many cases they are simple interpretations using equipment from all over the place. You would need to track down excavation reports from the sort of locations your character or his legion might be associated with. It is possible but it is not going to take two days!
If you are in a hurry then it would be far easier to be a first century Legionary from either Mainz or Vindonissa. Loads of original gear from both those places and well written reports of the finds.
Graham.
Re: 2nd century centurion - PhilusEstilius - 01-11-2009
I think that I am inclined to agree with Magnus Matt on the helmet, for to say it is Hadrianic in date it could have only been 12 to 15 years old at mid 2nd cetury. I do think that we have to be a bit more cautious with dating for one just can't say at 120 that goes out and this comes in, there had to at times a very large overlap with equipment.
Re: 2nd century centurion - Magnus - 01-11-2009
Quote:Sorry guys I overreacted but yesterday I found out that one major grant proposal of mine was unsuccessful so I was really frustrated and angry. I shouldn't bring my anger and frustration to this community. My mistake...
Anyways, sorry once again and thanks for your useful comments.
Cheers,
Ioannis
Sorry to hear about your proposal. Keep your eyes up and your ears open, something else will come up I'm sure.
Your gear list looks pretty good to me.
Re: 2nd century centurion - Peroni - 01-11-2009
Quote:I think that I am inclined to agree with Magnus Matt on the helmet, for to say it is Hadrianic in date it could have only been 12 to 15 years old at mid 2nd cetury. I do think that we have to be a bit more cautious with dating for one just can't say at 120 that goes out and this comes in, there had to at times a very large overlap with equipment.
Where did I state that the Italic G was not suitable ?.. Please read the second sentence from the same paragraph..
Quote:That said, the cross-braced helmet from Theilenhofen has a deposition date of about 180 AD IIRC. (The one I am wearing on my avatar)