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Gallic A feathers - M. Demetrius - 03-15-2009
The Gallic A goes way back, some say it might have been found amongst J.Caesar's men in Gaul, or very shortly afterwards. What's the chances that some of them might have had feather tubes on the sides, like the Montofortino? Anybody think that would be historically incorrect? Correct? Plausible?
It wouldn't be a big problem to make a couple of tubes and rivet them to the side of the bowl.
Re: Gallic A feathers - A_Volpe - 03-15-2009
David
What evidence have you found suggesting side feather plums on Monte's in Caesar's period?
I'm curious and I've never heard of this before, sounds interesting
Re: Gallic A feathers - M. Demetrius - 03-15-2009
Well, actually, I didn't say that Julius Caesar's army had feather plumes, but that some say the Gallic A may go back that far. Some Montefortino E helmets (at least according to http://www.larp.com/legioxx/helmets.html ) may have had feather tubes.
What I was asking is would it be historically plausible for a Gallic A to have feather tubes. Thanks for making me be more clear.
(*looks in vain for laud button*)
Also, see,
http://www.roman-empire.net/articles/article-006.html
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... 7322386ffd
I don't think either of these is necessarily to be considered a research-quality source of information, but I could be wrong there.
Re: Gallic A feathers - A_Volpe - 03-15-2009
aaah, I read your post wrong then
Re: Gallic A feathers - jkaler48 - 03-15-2009
Here is an interesting article about Legio V by M.C. Bishop which although doesn't discuss such use on the GALLIC A the unit was raised
in Gaul and MAY have use the GALLIC A helmets at some point and MAY have had them with feather tubes examples of which just haven't been found yet.
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/MG-8SZsadI ... alauda.pdf
Re: Gallic A feathers - Matthew Amt - 03-15-2009
Some Coolus E helmets definitely had feather tubes, but I don't think that type dates back as far as Caesar. They are generally thought of as Augustan through mid-first century AD. Any Montefortinos in the helmet database with feather tubes? Of course, even if there are, the tubes could have been added later... Sorry, not trying to be a wet blanket! (It just comes naturally to me, hee hee!)
Vale,
Matthew
Re: Gallic A feathers - M. Demetrius - 03-15-2009
Probably a blind alley. Does anyone have a good idea when feather tubes went out of style? Did they fade away during the Late Republic?
Matt, your site shows a Monte E with feather tubes, although it's an illustration, not a photo of an artifact.
I guess the Gallic A with tubes won't go, then? Wouldn't want to drill any holes that I'd regret later: it's a lot more trouble to plug one than to drill one.
Re: Gallic A feathers - jkaler48 - 03-15-2009
There is the option of drilling holes in the back ends of the brow guards or just cramming the feather ends between the guard and the helmet body on the Gallic A. I think some other helmets examples had the brow guard holes which are thought to have been for feathers.
Re: Gallic A feathers - Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-15-2009
The latest Gallic A find seem to have a lot of unsued rivet holes in the correct places.
That was the first thing that came to mind anyway, or some sort of crest securing attachments anyway.
Re: Gallic A feathers - Tarbicus - 03-15-2009
Montefortino A, 2nd to 1st C BC Italy: http://www.romanarmy.com/cms/component/ ... Itemid,96/
I think the idea of feather tubes may be a gross assumption based on later Coolus models, and what you should be thinking about is iron feather supports, a number of which have been found on Montefortinos. A similar assumption is made about Apulo Corinthians having tubes, when the majority of feather holders were flat and folded. Also, if you haven't read the article by Mike Bishop posted above by John, you really should.
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Re: Gallic A feathers - M. Demetrius - 03-15-2009
Well, I get a 404 Not Found error on that link.
So I haven't read it.I have a Gallic A, not a Montefortino. Byron, if you could direct me to anything about the dating and other details of that find, it would be helpful.
Thanks for the info, Jim. Looking into that thread as soon as I hit "submit".
Re: Gallic A feathers - Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-15-2009
There was a post on here yesterday, a separate thread, and now do you think I can find it!! :x ?
About three helmets found on a ship, I think it was Jim who posted a picture of what the are similar to, and you actually made a quip about it. :roll:
Re: Gallic A feathers - Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-15-2009
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Whew... :o Thought I was totally losing the plot there for a while!
This is the thread Dave.
Re: Gallic A feathers - M. Demetrius - 03-15-2009
But no feather tubes. Guess, like I said, that was a fancy that was just cerebroflatulence. Ok, fine. :wink:
Byron, I'm crushed, really! Me? Serious, factual ol' me, make a quip??
:lol:
Re: Gallic A feathers - Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-15-2009
Well, like I said there are a few unused rivet holes in the front side of the one Jim posted, so I dont see why it is not a slim , marginal , possibility.... :lol: