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Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - Virilis - 03-21-2012
Salvete Omnes!
Is it just artistic license / matter of changing art style that many late roman pteryges (especially the sleeves) look different than in earlier depictions? To me it looks like the pteryges might have been more closely attached to the longer sleeves of the subarmalis and not hanging loosely as in earlier versions. This is especially noticeable in later byzantine art (of which I have no good pics right now). Here are some pics attached, sorry for the very poor quality:
![[Image: subi.png]](http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd270/sattuviitana/subi.png)
Re: Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - Robert Vermaat - 03-22-2012
Hi Jyrki,
Well, that's indeed the question: are we looking at a changed artistic style or indeed a changed way in how the pteryges are worn? I'm not sure. Both are possible. When I look at the upper pteryges I'd say that, indeed, they seeem to be sewn together, but when I look at the lower one that would be unlogical. :-(
Re: Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - Virilis - 03-22-2012
Thanks Robert!
I might try the sewn-together option, just to see how it works...
Re: Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-22-2012
I wonder if they are quilted, or possibly pleated in part?
There seems to be a lot going on.
Re: Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - Dan Howard - 03-22-2012
Some of the illustrations look like pleating to me.
Re: Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - Virilis - 03-22-2012
Quote:Some of the illustrations look like pleating to me.
That's an interesting observation, it never occurred to me!
Re: Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-22-2012
Hmmmmm
Re: Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - Cheyenne - 03-22-2012
This is something I am toying with for a prototype subarmour... the pleating to me, in some of those images looks like the best option for achieveing the 'fall' of the garment when worn in conjunction with the armour..
It would mean a HUGE amount of linen needs to be used for the overall look and thus a garment which might be frightfully expensive to make
Re: Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-22-2012
There was a thread on here that shows how it can be done.
I think the guy was in Canada that did it! It looked just like the images.
Re: Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - Robert Vermaat - 03-22-2012
Quote:There was a thread on here that shows how it can be done.Yes, but where? I could not locate it. :???:
I think the guy was in Canada that did it! It looked just like the images.
Re: Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-22-2012
God knows....I just remember the guy made a great presentation on here about it last year.
Good pictures, every thing.
Re: Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - M. Val. Naso - 03-23-2012
In the new Osprey book about centurions, we can see a tombstone, showing a subarmalis of a cavalry centurion. It's short sleeved, and cross quilted, like many in the middle ages.
Re: Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - markusaurelius - 03-23-2012
Someone find that thread! :-) Interested in the idea of a different style submaralis from the later period...
Re: Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - Matthew Corbin - 03-24-2012
Several of the later period depictions appear to be pleated. Specifically when looking at the Byzantine empire. The Barberini Ivory is a good example:
![[Image: 4915777487_98bf4762a3_z.jpg]](http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4073/4915777487_98bf4762a3_z.jpg)
Re: Thoughts on late roman subarmalis? - Cavok - 03-24-2012
Errrm......Love the footwear!
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And the rifles would be very late!