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Intercisa helmets - photos - Caballo - 04-01-2014
I'm looking for some good quality pictures of Intercisa helmets - could people post below?
Thanks!
Intercisa helmets - photos - agrimensor - 04-01-2014
might this be good enough.
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Intercisa helmets - photos - agrimensor - 04-01-2014
I even have construction drawing.
Intercisa helmets - photos - Flavivs Aetivs - 04-01-2014
I should note that the reconstrucion of the River Maas helmet is inaccurate and needs to be redone.
It's provenance also isn't 100% secure.
Intercisa helmets - photos - Caballo - 04-01-2014
"I even have construction drawing."
Agrimensor,
Yes please!
Intercisa helmets - photos - ValentinianVictrix - 04-01-2014
The slots in the top of the helmets, metal or horsehair crest?
Intercisa helmets - photos - M. Val. Naso - 04-01-2014
Metal. Horsehair is standing on weak base, especially in late roman times.
Intercisa helmets - photos - Flavivs Aetivs - 04-01-2014
Quote:Metal. Horsehair is standing on weak base, especially in late roman times.
Not really. Lots of Horsehair crests in artistic representation. Besides, I seriously doubt that when you have whole examples of the metal surviving like the Augst Helmet, that the metal Crest wouldn't. An iron metal crest would have survived in that example, so it must have used a horsehair or feather crest with a wooden crest box
Intercisa helmets - photos - Medicus matt - 04-01-2014
There are some in my collection of pics from the museum in Budapest:-
http://s418.photobucket.com/user/medicusmatt/library/Budapest%20Museum?sort=2&page=1
Page 4 I think.
Intercisa helmets - photos - Flavivs Aetivs - 04-01-2014
![[Image: PC060141.jpg]](http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp263/medicusmatt/Budapest%20Museum/PC060141.jpg)
These are the Intercisa Helmets alright. Same ones Deepeeka based their helmets off of. Some have errors...
Anyways, from Left to Right:
Intercisa-IV (Missing the central Ridge), Intercisa-II, Intercisa-I, and Intercisa-III. The last one probably had a wooden, rather than metal crest.
Intercisa helmets - photos - Virilis - 04-01-2014
Here´s some of mine:
Intercisa helmets - photos - Thomas V. - 04-01-2014
Quote:The slots in the top of the helmets, metal or horsehair crest?
Quote:Metal. Horsehair is standing on weak base, especially in late roman times.
Quote:Not really. Lots of Horsehair crests in artistic representation. Besides, I seriously doubt that when you have whole examples of the metal surviving like the Augst Helmet, that the metal Crest wouldn't. An iron metal crest would have survived in that example, so it must have used a horsehair or feather crest with a wooden crest box
Abb. 15 (p. 464) shows how the slots were used to attach metal crests: [hide]https://www.academia.edu/5624723/Christian_Miks_Spatromische_Kammhelme_mit_hoher_Kammscheibe._Jahrbuch_des_Romisch-Germanischen_Zentralmuseums_Mainz_55_2008_449-482[/hide].
Intercisa helmets - photos - Flavivs Aetivs - 04-01-2014
Yes, I know. I'm saying they could have just as easily had feather or horsehair crests too. We see them all the time in Late Roman Art, some of which we know are directly influenced by actual Roman military.
You are right in that the crest slots were used for metal crests, but in cases where the helmet has said slots, and no metal crest survives, it would be logical to infer it was made of a material that could not have survived under the circumstances it was found in. E.g. Wood, horsehair, feather, etc
Intercisa helmets - photos - Thomas V. - 04-01-2014
Quote:You are right in that the crest slots were used for metal crests, but in cases where the helmet has said slots, and no metal crest survives, it would be logical to infer it was made of a material that could not have survived under the circumstances it was found in. E.g. Wood, horsehair, feather, etcMiks suspects that the helmets, that have crest attachement slots, but were found without a crest, never were equipped with a crest.
Intercisa helmets - photos - Medicus matt - 04-01-2014
Quote: it would be logical to infer it was made of a material that could not have survived under the circumstances it was found in. E.g. Wood, horsehair, feather, etc
It would be equally logical to summise that they were simply deposited without their crests. Even if the crest itself were made from a material which had perished, the supporting mount which engaged with the helmet itself would have been metal and would have left some trace of itself.