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Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - Crispvs - 01-10-2007

Robert,

The helmet is generally known as the 'Burgh Castle helmet' within the group. Recognising that this was incorrect I have been trying to get people to recognise it as Berkosova II, as this is what I thought it had been based on. Bowing to your greatly superior knowledge of these things, I am now curious to know which features are indicative of the Intercisa type in this case. Can you enlighten me?

Crispvs


Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - Robert Vermaat - 01-10-2007

Quote:I am now curious to know which features are indicative of the Intercisa type in this case. Can you enlighten me?

The helmet is clearly a mix of several styles.

I would say the cheek guards mainly make it an Intercisa. A Berkasovo (not Kosovo) would also be a good name, but the cheek pieces are different, much larger and enclosing the side of the head. Most Intercisas don’t have a nasal of course, but the Burgh castle has more segments forming the bowl. This helmet also has hinge protectors, which are not an Intercisa feature. On the other hand, the ridge reminds me much more of an Intercisa I than of the Berkasovo, which has a raised ridge…

Yes, I think that you could call it a Berkasvo II. Big Grin


Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - Crispvs - 01-10-2007

Ahh, I see. It is a shame I do not have another photo of the helmet from the side, as I don't think this photo shows the cheek guards very well. I agree that the photo does make them look like Intercisa cheek guards but in fack they do enclose the head and run back the the point at which the neck guard takes over, like those of the Berkasovo helmets. I think that the difference is that the cheek guards have ear cut outs. I don't know if this is correct or not and I am led to believe that the man who made the helmet has since died, so I can't ask him.

Crispvs


Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - aitor iriarte - 01-10-2007

Paul,

I know that kind of helmets, our friends from 'Roma Antiqua' own one of them. No 'Intercisa' features, just burgh Castle completed with Berkasovo 2.
Berkasovo 2 helmet has earholes, so you can call yours a 'Berkasovo 2' confidently! :wink:
[Image: berkasovo.jpg]

Aitor


My Legionary outfit despite the plumed helmet! - RUBICON - 01-30-2007

though Im not wearing it, its a little tight, I thought i would show my armour with gladius and dagger. This is a working progress and hope to complete if not improve the replica with better versions when I find them.

I have a shield which I am re painting and wish to include brass edging. Any suggestion on how I do this woudl be most appreciated.

regards


Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - RUBICON - 01-30-2007

Ive tried to add a larger photo.

im not very good at this uploading thing


Roman Outfit - RUBICON - 01-30-2007

Now the image is up. the red tunic underneath is rich blood red, coarsely woven. The brown cape ( hard to see) isnt attached authentically so if anyone can suggest how it was worn or attached to the segmentata. Teh gladius has a bone handle, and dagger are attached to the belt. I have three helmets and happened to use the one with the plume, though not tranversed. I also understand that a centurion would not have teh segmentata on either.

As stated before, the shield is being repainted as the red is far too bright and I wish to edge it in brass though have not found anyone who can reconstruct the correct look for the brass edging...any suggestions?

So feel free to pass comment as I wish to perfect this work in progress before it adorns my office foyer.

Im currwently working on a large painting depicting the 17th Legion's last stand at Kalkriese to hang on the wall behind the outfit. I will post the painting for review too.


Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - Aurelianus - 01-30-2007

I think, first you should change the helmet! It is the "Trooper's"-helmet which is not at all a accurate reconstruction! And if my interpretation is right you have this pugio:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ROMAN-PUGIO-DAGGER-k ... dZViewItem

It has the same problem like the helmet. It is to avoid!

Perhaps some modfications on your belt and it's o.k. for the first step in reenacting.

Don't let you discourage about my feedback!!!! Take you to the higher level step by step! But be careful! Very often you had just to spent a little more money and you would get a much accurater reconstruction (for example the trooper's helmet: I think you put out about 45 until 70 $. For a accurate helmet (Deepeeka Imperial Gallic G AH6052N or Imperial Gallic H 6053N, or some others from the new Deepeeka-line) you would have to spent 175 $. Be sure to specify the "N" in the catalog number to avoid the older versions of helmets (which may still be stocked by some vendors).

Here you can get them:
http://finditarmory.com/
http://www.soulofthewarrior.com/

There are some helmets for less money aviable too (not such accurate at all like the Deepeeka but quite good! From kingslance.com. By ebay you can get it sometimes for about 70 $!!!!! That's a nice price. But you have to waite an "snap" :-) )

http://cgi.ebay.de/Roman-Imperial-Itali ... dZViewItem (here for right away price for 130$ which is muc too much for it!!!)

I advise you to get the Deepeeka helmets!
http://finditarmory.com/ and
http://www.soulofthewarrior.com/

They have quite nice prices!!!!!!

A little help could be this sides for you!

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/bad.html
http://www.larp.com/legioxx/helmets.html


Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - RUBICON - 01-30-2007

Thankyou,

The helmet is not a good replica and am currently investigating new ones. butI will definitely take yoru advice as having been on RAT now I'm finding out more and more correct attire.

thanks once again


Re: Roman Outfit - jvrjenivs - 01-30-2007

Quote: The brown cape ( hard to see) isnt attached authentically so if anyone can suggest how it was worn or attached to the segmentata.

1. Get you a nice fibulae
2. just close it on the front with your fibulae


Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - Crispvs - 01-30-2007

Rubicon,

If you are looking for weapons on finditarmoury I would be very careful. I just took a quick look at the site and of all of the weapons currently shown, the only one which looks in any way like an actual one is the one listed as: 'Roman Gladius w/Scabbard and Baldric', which also appears to include decoration copied from the Hod Hill evidence. None of the other weapons are accurate enough. Roman gladius scabbard chapes should NEVER be curved. Late Roman spatha scabbards should not have suspension rings. There are too many things wrong with the daggers for me to even start here.

I note that you mention attaching your cloak derectly to your armour. I know of no evidence for this actually being done and it is rather one of those things like wrist guards which Hollywood invented some decades ago and have been using ever since. The best way to attach your cloak is to do it up at your right shoulder with a brooch if it is a straight cloak. If it is a hooded semi circular paenula type cloak it could be sewn up at the front or done up with buttons or toggles.

I note also your comment about centuriones and segmentata. Don't believe everything you hear. Many people will tell you that centuriones never wore segmentata. They base this on the fact that there are no surviving depictions of centuriones in segmentata. However, there are only nine (I think) known depictions of centuriones altogether and of these, if I recall correctly, only five are armoured. Two wear scale, two wear mail and one may be wearing a breast plate or he may be wearing mail. This is much too small a sample to state the centuriones never wore segmentata. If the same standard was applied to the rank and file we would have to say that nobody at all wore segmentata during the first century AD, as there is not a single sculpture (as far as I know) which can be proved to show it. However, the archaeological evidence for its use is overwealming. Nothing at all exists to tell us beyond any doubt who it was who wore it. When it comes to centuriones not wearing segmentata the best any of the 'mail and scale only' fraternity can really say is that there is no positive evidence to prove that centuriones wore segmentata. That is a long way from being able to say that they never wore it!

Crispvs


Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - RUBICON - 01-30-2007

Thankyou Paul.

I appreciate your evidence. To the untrained eye I guess it will look 'correct' when
it adorns my office. I guess I wanted to ty and make it as authentic as possible.
Once the painting is up I'm sure it will look spectacular.


Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - grab - 02-02-2007

My 1st century AD legionary impression. The picture is one of many taken by a professional photographer, Venture', to be used for publicity for Roman events at the Winchester Museum.


Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - Titus Martius - 02-02-2007

This impression is really good! I like it. :wink:


Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 02-02-2007

Nice impresion.

Can you put details of the arms and armour (helmet, gladius, pugio, belt...) Here we like to see that kind of detailed pictures.

By your shield you may belongs to II Augusta, no?