+- RomanArmyTalk (https://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat)
+-- Forum: Research Arena (https://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/forumdisplay.php?fid=4)
+--- Forum: Roman Military History & Archaeology (https://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/forumdisplay.php?fid=8)
+--- Thread: Mainz Fishies! (/showthread.php?tid=2706)
Pages:
1
2
Mainz Fishies! - Praefectusclassis - 05-21-2001
Salvete!<br>
Just got back from an intensive reconnaissance of Mainz (reconaissance because there is quite a lot there and I tend to get 'overfed' trying to take it all in). Couldn't find the thread about the dolphins on a Mainz inscription, but it's definitely there! I hope the photo's succeed, so I can show the close-up I made. Further reports will appear in a travelogue soon!<br>
<br>
Greets<br>
<br>
Jasper <p></p><i></i>
Re: Mainz Fishies! - JRSCline - 05-22-2001
Well, that to me says "I Adiutrix" -- how neat! I had thought earlier that they might be capricorni but glad to see a visual inspection proves something definite for us.<br>
<br>
Now who's going to have the first helmet based on this design I wonder? E EM<br>
<br>
Looking forward to more, Jasper!<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jenny <p></p><i></i>
Re: Mainz Fishies! - Praefectusclassis - 05-22-2001
Says 'Adiutrix' to me too, yippieeeeee!<br>
There were some nice Republican pieces of equipment to be seen as well. Do we have an early-Roman-army-editor yet?<br>
<br>
Greets<br>
<br>
Jasper <p></p><i></i>
Re: Mainz Fishies! - JRSCline - 05-22-2001
Nope, Sander's sticking to legions of the principate and afterward, so I understand.<br>
<br>
<br>
J. <p></p><i></i>
Re: Mainz Fishies! - Praefectusclassis - 05-28-2001
Got the pictures, they're fine! I'll start scanning & writing (did some before, but lost it somehow )tonight!<br>
<br>
Greets<br>
<br>
Jasper<br>
<br>
---------------------<br>
<br>
Here we go:<br>
<img src="http://www.jloorthuys.myweb.nl/Webmapje/fishies.jpg"> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub45.ezboard.com/ujasperoorthuys.showPublicProfile?language=EN>Jasper Oorthuys</A> at: 5/29/01 9:12:55 am<br></i>
Re: Mainz Fishies! - JRSCline - 05-29-2001
That's definitely a fish! What a great picture, Jasper! Can't wait to see the travelogue.<br>
<br>
<br>
Jenny<br>
<br>
<p></p><i></i>
dolphin helmet - Anonymous - 12-30-2001
Scanners are the greatest invention after fire! It is indeed a dolphin!<br>
I vote for an armilla and a torque for Jasper. <p></p><i></i>
Re: dolphin helmet - Praefectusclassis - 12-30-2001
Thanks to Ricoh, a Target Scanner, MyWeb ISP & KPN Telecom for providing the technical possibilities! And of course to the unknown sculptor. E EM<br>
<p>Greets<BR>
<BR>
Jasper</p><i></i>
Re: Mainz Fishies! - richsc - 12-30-2001
Great photo. Makes me wonder if that level of attention to photography to other sculpture would reveal similar interesting details?<br>
This and the other helmet with the mice on it makes me think the Romans had a better sense of style than we give them credit for. <p>Aulus, Legio XX.
the High Noise, Low Signal person for RAT.
ICQ 940236
</p><i></i>
Re: Mainz Fishies! - Praefectusclassis - 12-30-2001
With mice? Where is that one? <p>Greets<BR>
<BR>
Jasper</p><i></i>
Re: Mainz Fishies! - richsc - 12-30-2001
Jenny send me a photo of that one; a Gallic K with the long name I always forget. Clearly two mice that look like they were brazed on. I thought she said there was bread on it too, but I dont' remember seeing that.<br>
<br>
I can't seem to paste the image in here, so I'll email it to you. <p>Aulus, Legio XX.
the High Noise, Low Signal person for RAT.
ICQ 940236
</p><i></i>
Re: Mainz Fishies! - Praefectusclassis - 12-30-2001
Thanks, looking forward to it. <p>Greets<BR>
<BR>
Jasper</p><i></i>
Re: Mainz Fishies! - Anonymous - 12-30-2001
Jasper,<br>
would you venture a guess as to what type of helmet this could be with the cool fishies? <p></p><i></i>
Re: Mainz Fishies! - Praefectusclassis - 12-30-2001
Pfff, I wouldn't know. I better leave that to the equipment buffs here.<br>
Of course it is possible the dolphins (the other soldier has one too) were only added to make it clear that these soldiers represent a specific unit. However, if the shield emblem was obvious, it may have been a representation of a decoration that was actually used. How they were added to a helmet? Perhaps in the same way as the temples on that famous helmet? <p>Greets<BR>
<BR>
Jasper</p><i></i>
Re: Mainz Fishies! - Anonymous - 12-30-2001
Equipment buff here!!<br>
I am going to complicate matters.<br>
The quite large neckguard makes me think of an Imperial Gallic a.k.a. Weisenau type helmet.<br>
In which case the dolphins would be hammered out of the skull in place of the classic eyebrows IMHO. But yes, they could be soldered as well.<br>
The shape of the frontal reinforce and the fact that it actually goes all around the helmet makes me also think of a Guisborough type, illustrated on the trajanic reliefs re-used on the arch of Constantine and of which several quite plain examples have been found, including one with two dolphins. However the dolphins are on the back, not in front.<br>
For those who don't know: the Guisborough type is the "Hollywood praetorian" type, more or less. That gives you an idea.<br>
Does that makes it simpler? Noooo, that makes it even more enigmatic.<br>
I looove archaeology E EM <p></p><i></i>