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RE: Painting scabbards? - Feinman - 10-18-2018

(10-18-2018, 01:58 PM)Dan D\Silva Wrote: Indeed, that book was what precipitated my shake-up five years ago when I started trying to avoid relying on veg-tan.  Which was possibly itself precipitated by wondering whether it was historically accurate to paint veg-tan, something I had wanted to do back in 2012.

I see!  I stopped keeping up on this stuff around then --I suppose that's what happens..


RE: Painting scabbards? - Crispianus - 10-19-2018

I would also suggest taking a good look at this book :

https://www.sidestone.com/books/chariots-in-ancient-egypt

you can view it online for free, although its clearly about other things and not persian, it does contain bow cases/quivers with leather covers with the full range of decorative techniques applique, stamping, painted designs, colouring/dyeing etc.. so I think is well worth a look...



Wink


RE: Painting scabbards? - Feinman - 10-19-2018

Those chariot remains are pretty amazing. I have not seen that book before, though! Going to have to order that one.


RE: Painting scabbards? - Dan D'Silva - 10-22-2018

(10-19-2018, 11:47 AM)Crispianus Wrote: I would also suggest taking a good look at this book :

https://www.sidestone.com/books/chariots-in-ancient-egypt

you can view it online for free, although its clearly about other things and not persian, it does contain bow cases/quivers with leather covers with the full range of decorative techniques applique, stamping, painted designs, colouring/dyeing etc.. so I think is well worth a look...



Wink

Thanks for that.  I almost added it to my list of things to go looking for at the U of P library until I took a second look at your post Big Grin Scribd is a godsend.


RE: Painting scabbards? - Feinman - 11-10-2018

^ That book is really, really excellent!! Beautiful stuff. I'd purchase a copy if it wasn't so expensive.


RE: Painting scabbards? - Crispianus - 11-12-2018

(11-10-2018, 04:10 PM)Feinman Wrote: ^  That book is really, really excellent!!  Beautiful stuff.  I'd purchase a copy if it wasn't so expensive.

Luckily they all come as PDFs for 9.99€ a good deal I think  Wink


RE: Painting scabbards? - Feinman - 11-12-2018

(11-12-2018, 11:27 PM)Crispianus Wrote:
(11-10-2018, 04:10 PM)Feinman Wrote: ^  That book is really, really excellent!!  Beautiful stuff.  I'd purchase a copy if it wasn't so expensive.

Luckily they all come as PDFs for 9.99€ a good deal I think  Wink

I missed that!  Very good price.  Like many others I've always loved the ancient Egyptians' aesthetic and design  sensibilities, and the chariot is exactly as one would hope it would look, and a little better than that, too Cool.
Ptah help the poor bastards who had to repair those crazy sewn layers of dyed/painted leather..   One wonders how it would all hold up to being doused with water..


RE: Painting scabbards? - Dan D'Silva - 12-22-2018

The test results for milk-painted chamois are in and they are not great.

https://xerxesmillion.blogspot.com/2018/12/testing-casein-paint-on-leather-part-iii.html


RE: Painting scabbards? - Dan D'Silva - 12-28-2018

I'm gonna do some tests with oil paint. In the meantime, could anyone recommend custom metalworkers who might be able to make an embossed bronze or brass facing to fit around the expanded throat as on Achaemenid scabbards? I've already written to Manning Imperial since I figure the skills involved would be similar to making bronze armor, but it'd be good to have a range of price estimates.


RE: Painting scabbards? - Dan D'Silva - 05-26-2020

Pure oil paint was a failure, but I recently tried adding pigment to the linseed oil-beeswax sealer and rubbing and scraping it into the suede nap.  Obviously it's no good for painting fine designs, but for simple ones like the elusive crenellated gorytos decorations or large contrasting areas like the throat and tab of an akinakes scabbard it should work -- once it's cured, and presuming there isn't an excess left on the leather's surface, the paint neither runs/smudges when wet nor flakes off.

It just occurred to me that if a leather or rawhide facing on a wooden scabbard or shield could be attached with a thin coating of pitch, there'd be less worry about it soaking through and creating a blotchy mess in the rain like with hide glue, even if the topcoat failed to keep all the water out.  Sound plausible?  If so, how would you create a pitch coating that would stay liquid long enough to be brushed over a wide area and then have the facing applied?