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Studies about the Carnuntum scales armour? - cilanos - 01-29-2020
Hello everyone!
Do you know if there is an extensive study of the squamae found in Carnuntum? I'd like to have a scale armour reconstructed, but can't find precise information about dimensions and datation (only generalities: "bronze specimens of 2,8cm by 1,4cm to iron ones of 8cm by 5,4cm" (according to Robinson's book), and a datation always ranging from 1st to 3rd c., but no more than that...).
I'm aiming at a Late Roman kit, second half of the 4th century, to be more precise.
If you have more information, it would be grand! Or maybe is my question futile?
I'm trying to find something as deeply rooted in the correct time period as possible but, if it is really nitpicky, I'll be content with any information or reference that could help me make a choice! I focus on Carnuntum in this post, but I'm open to other models and sites, of course.
To add: I'm novice in Roman reenactment, I just don't dare thinking that ANY scales would be good enough for my objective ^^ .
RE: Studies about the Carnuntum scales armour? - Crispianus - 01-30-2020
(01-29-2020, 10:02 PM)cilanos Wrote: Hello everyone!
Do you know if there is an extensive study of the squamae found in Carnuntum? I'd like to have a scale armour reconstructed, but can't find precise information about dimensions and datation (only generalities: "bronze specimens of 2,8cm by 1,4cm to iron ones of 8cm by 5,4cm" (according to Robinson's book), and a datation always ranging from 1st to 3rd c., but no more than that...).
I'm aiming at a Late Roman kit, second half of the 4th century, to be more precise.
If you have more information, it would be grand! Or maybe is my question futile?
I focus on Carnuntum in this post, but I'm open to other models and sites, of course.
To add: I'm novice in Roman reenactment, I just don't dare thinking that ANY scales would be good enough for my objective ^^ .
I would suggest getting hold of "The Excavations at Dura-Europos conducted by Yale University and the French Academy of Inscriptions and Letters 1928 to 1937. Final Report VII" The Arms, Armour etc, since it contains much of what should be relevant in a single volume, both flexible and semi-ridged scale are represented.
RE: Studies about the Carnuntum scales armour? - cilanos - 01-31-2020
Thanks for the tip!
RE: Studies about the Carnuntum scales armour? - Gunthamund Hasding - 02-08-2020
Carnuntum finds would be too early for you as I was there in the museum I saw them and they were dated 1st 2 cent AD needd to look up for the photos though
RE: Studies about the Carnuntum scales armour? - Sean Manning - 02-09-2020
(01-29-2020, 10:02 PM)cilanos Wrote: Hello everyone!As far as I know, there is only Oberst von Groller's site report. I cite it in my call for sources on scale armour (currently on version 1.3 but I hope to have a final version sometime this year).
Do you know if there is an extensive study of the squamae found in Carnuntum? I'd like to have a scale armour reconstructed, but can't find precise information about dimensions and datation (only generalities: "bronze specimens of 2,8cm by 1,4cm to iron ones of 8cm by 5,4cm" (according to Robinson's book), and a datation always ranging from 1st to 3rd c., but no more than that...).
I'm aiming at a Late Roman kit, second half of the 4th century, to be more precise.
If you have more information, it would be grand! Or maybe is my question futile?
I know of important finds of scale and lamellar armour in Europe from the first three centuries CE, and the sixth century CE (currently not included, I would have to track down the site reports) but not the fourth.
RE: Studies about the Carnuntum scales armour? - cilanos - 02-12-2020
I guess the 4th century is the unlucky one
.Thanks!
PS: I've seen your link on another thread; thanks for this work, it is very sueful!