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senior officer with parazonium? - arminius - 02-18-2006

Hi folks,

I’m currently working on a small scale reconstruction of a senior officer wearing his parazonium tucked in the sash.
Can anybody help me with some reference? All I need is one statue actually showing this method of carrying the weapon.

Greetings from Germania Libera
Arminius/Andreas

Re: senior officer with parazonium? - tlclark - 02-19-2006

Check out this

http://astro.temple.edu/~tlclark/lorica ... parazonium

And also these...

http://astro.temple.edu/~tlclark/lorica ... 3det5a.jpg

http://astro.temple.edu/~tlclark/lorica ... icataa.jpg

There are also a few more on my site, but I think those will help you the most.

Travis

Re: senior officer with parazonium? - Theodosius the Great - 03-23-2006

I'm really confused about the length of the parazonium. From the pictures that Travis provided above, they look like gladii judging from their sizes.

But I was under the impression that the parazonium was longer than a pugio but shorter than a gladius. Unless those shown in the pictures above and below are not, in fact, parazonia but rather just eagle-headed gladii ?

That would seem to be a possibility, since the porphyry sculpture of the the Tetriarchs shows eagle-headed spathae.

So, are these true examples of a parazonium or a gladius ?


[Image: loricatacapita.jpg][Image: luciusverusloricatadeta.jpg]
[Image: maureliusloricataa.jpg]

Re: senior officer with parazonium? - tlclark - 03-23-2006

Well there is a difference between literary and figurative evidence.

The literary evidence (as I understand it) implies a short sword. The greek literally means "beside" so that suggests a small short sword.

The images show a parallel edged sword with elaborate pommel, hilt and scabard that is of gladius proportions, but slightly larger and longer.

Remember, these sculptures are not to scale and I doubt the scabards were that thick, but the artist is limited to what they can do in stone.

Also, the particularly sculpture you show has been heavily restored by Bernini, so it's suspicious.

Travis

Re: senior officer with parazonium? - Theodosius the Great - 03-23-2006

Quote:Well there is a difference between literary and figurative evidence.

Ohh...one of those predicaments...

I was asking because I'm wondering if my eagle-headed gladius is passable as a parazonium.

Thanks for clearing up the confusion, Travis.

BTW, I noticed that statue of MA has the elaborate military boots.

Re: senior officer with parazonium? - arminius - 01-08-2007

Hi,

What do you think of this piece:

[Image: parazonm.gif]

I believe it is a replica a reenactor made. Is there a source for the real thing?

Regards
Andreas

Re: senior officer with parazonium? - Marcus Mummius - 03-10-2007

Quote:Hi,

What do you think of this piece:

[Image: parazonm.gif]

I believe it is a replica a reenactor made. Is there a source for the real thing?

Regards
Andreas

Does anyone know where this piece comes from?

Re: senior officer with parazonium? - munazio planco - 03-11-2007

avete omnes

this parazonium is from Brian stobbs,and I tink that could be good reproduction of this sword.

in fact is difficult that Stobbs do someting whitout filological tinking


valete omnes

Re: senior officer with parazonium? - Theodosius the Great - 03-12-2007

It looks perfect.

If I can get his contact info, I just might put in an order.

~Theo

Re: senior officer with parazonium? - AntonivsMarivsCongianocvs - 06-11-2007

Salve,

Although the eagle head handle looks good… in my opinion the hilt is incorrect and does not resemble either the cross-like verions or the flowing “Sâ€

Re: senior officer with parazonium? - Marcus Julius - 06-12-2007

AntonivsMarivsCongianocvs\\n[quote]
I’ll take a crack at fabricating the “Sâ€

Re: senior officer with parazonium? - AntonivsMarivsCongianocvs - 06-12-2007

Quote:Not all ivory is illegal. It depends on the species of animal that it was harvested from. Even then, it can be legally obtained, though it's very expensive and requires permits.

True, true… I guess there’s an exception to every rule however; concerning Ivory, there’s also an ethical consideration to take into account; even if Ivory was available to me, I honestly wouldn’t go for it. IMHO there’s a drastic difference between someone hunting wild game and a scum-of-the-earth Ivory poacher.

Anyways… before this shifts gears and becomes an ethics/hunting/poaching thread… anyone disagree with my assessment, planned measurements, or overall concept of the Parazonium?

Anyone think the Eagle Headed dagger should be called a Parazonium?

Is my leaf shaped blade a good choice?

Re: senior officer with parazonium? - lisa - 06-14-2007

Have you all also seen the porphyry statue of the Tetrarchs currently in Venice, but I think originally from Rome? The Parazonia are quite prominent.

[url:d4rz9vye]http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/romantetrarchs/tetrarchs.html[/url]

Re: senior officer with parazonium? - Marcus Mummius - 06-14-2007

Quote:Have you all also seen the porphyry statue of the Tetrarchs currently in Venice, but I think originally from Rome? The Parazonia are quite prominent.

[url:x6qivt7g]http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/romantetrarchs/tetrarchs.html[/url]

Yes, Aitor made a nice reconstruction of one of these swords.

The parazonia being discussed here are early Imperial to mid Imperial though.

Vale,

Re: senior officer with parazonium? - AntonivsMarivsCongianocvs - 06-14-2007

Salve,

Thanks for posting! I think we might have discussed these statues in past threads.

Those eagle headed swords could be sparthas, just with an eagle’s head. They could also be a natural progression of the Parazonium over a few hundred years… to a longer model with a less prominent “Dâ€