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Gospel of Judas - Jona Lendering - 03-31-2006
It may be noted that the text of the Gospel of Judas, together with a translation, will be published on the eighth of April. Cf. "our" RAT-topic at [url:37lc301d]http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic.php?p=58787[/url]. The National Geographic Channel has paid an awful lot of money for the publishing rights. [url:37lc301d]http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/ET/daily/20060409.html[/url]
Several new fragments have been published. The most interesting one is, in my view, this one:
Quote:Jesus said: 'Your star's brillianceThe star is a messianic motive that was forgotten by the Christians of the second century. Is it possible that the GoJ contains first-century information?
Will eclipse all others.
You will be greater then them all.
Judas, you will sacrifice the man that clothes me.
Judas, the star that leads the way is your star.'
The announcement of the discovery was, as people may remember, by the Dutch journalist Henk Schutten. He has published a book on the subject, and has opened a Dutch website, which will be developed in the next couple of days. Here is a link: [url:37lc301d]http://www.judas-evangelie.nl/[/url].
Other links:
[url:37lc301d]http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006110742,00.html[/url]
[url:37lc301d]http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/story/0,20797,18441934-5003419,00.html[/url]
[url:37lc301d]http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0307/p01s02-lire.html[/url]
and especially
[url:37lc301d]http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/manuscripts/gospel_of_judas/[/url]
Re: Gospel of Judas - TraderTrey9785 - 04-25-2006
National Geographic just put out an article on that in its May issue. I bought it a couple of days ago and taken with the documentary they made regarding the newly found Gospel, it is really interesting. I think the general agreement was that the Gospel was probably written in the second half of the 1st Century AD, but it was definitely around by 180 AD when it was specifically mentioned and condemned by Bishop Irenaeus (sp?). I know the actual document they found was written in the 4th Century according to Radio-Carbon dating. I thought it was interesting how different gospels were dismissed and adopted to be incorporated into the New Testament. Great web-sites above too!
Re: Gospel of Judas - Jeroen Pelgrom - 04-26-2006
the article about the Judas-gospel is also in the dutch may edition of National Geographic (got mine yesterday).
Re: Gospel of Judas - Jona Lendering - 04-26-2006
If you're Dutch or Belgian (or speak Dutch), the place to be is [url:125c6tci]http://www.judas-evangelie.nl/[/url], the website of Henk Schutten, the first journalist to write about the gospel. Several strange debates, but some good remarks too.
Re: Gospel of Judas - stevesarak - 04-26-2006
Quote: I thought it was interesting how different gospels were dismissed and adopted to be incorporated into the New Testament. Great web-sites above too!
It was decided by the head of the church at the time. One man decided the path of teaching, so people from that point forwards, only had a narrow view of what was written.
Would have been interesting to see what the religion would have developed into if they were all available.
Re: Gospel of Judas - Jona Lendering - 04-26-2006
I think it was never really decided; it just happened. This link may be of some interest:
[url:ru9iqkzu]http://www.livius.org/gi-gr/gospels/disappearance.html[/url]
Re: Gospel of Judas - Robert Vermaat - 04-27-2006
I agree, it was not decided for all from the top down. It was a personal opinion, but an opinion which was expected to be agreed upon. In this case the said bishop was influential and later it was decided to follow what he wrote about the subject. The gnostics had different ideas but the main difference is that they beleived, like the Pelagians after them, that each Christian had a personal relation to God, making the Church superfluous.
Re: Gospel of Judas - Arthes - 04-29-2006
Greetings,
I browsed through this in a bookshop a couple of days ago.
The one problem with anything that may oppose the Bible or come from 'the other side' so to speak (Judas being the traitor in Christian eyes) is bound to be edited of anything too incriminating by the church or dismissed as 'untruth' regardless of the truth therein.
I apologise if that comment offends anybody.
Link to National Geographic page....[url:2ezddx0b]http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/[/url]
Regards
Cynisca
Re: Gospel of Judas - Robert Vermaat - 04-29-2006
Quote:The one problem with anything that may oppose the Bible or come from 'the other side' so to speak (Judas being the traitor in Christian eyes) is bound to be edited of anything too incriminating by the church or dismissed as 'untruth' regardless of the truth therein.That would have been the case a hundred years ago, but these days 'the church' does not exist any longer, and most believers make up their own minds.
I recall one RC priest (or was he Church of England?) in the NG documentary having an opinion about Judas being a traitor or not that would have brought him into trouble..
I'm a Christian and I doubt that Judas was the evil guy he's mostly portrayed to be, greedy selfish, treacherous. He would not have been as close to Christ had he been that.
And yes, someone would have to do the dirty work..
Judas - Carus Andiae - 05-01-2006
Quote:I'm a Christian and I doubt that Judas was the evil guy he's mostly portrayed to be, greedy selfish, treacherous. He would not have been as close to Christ had he been that.
And yes, someone would have to do the dirty work..
I, too am a Christian. I've heard it suggested that Judas was a Jewish insurgent (in this theory Iscariot is a corruption of Sicarius) who had believed Jesus would be the Messiah of legend - the great warrior king - but betrayed Jesus when it became clear He wasn't.
It's interesting that right up to the end in the Synoptic Gospels Judas still calls Jesus 'Teacher' when the other Apostles have taken to calling Him 'Lord', suggesting that Judas hadn't really understood the truth.
Re: Judas - stevesarak - 05-01-2006
Quote:It's interesting that right up to the end in the Synoptic Gospels Judas still calls Jesus 'Teacher' when the other Apostles have taken to calling Him 'Lord', suggesting that Judas hadn't really understood the truth.
Just for the purpose of discussion,
"Truth" is a very encompassing word. A lot of times it’s subjective to the ideas and beliefs of the individual or even the times.
Looking at it through Judas’s point of view, from the Gospel of Judas, you might have to say that the rest just didn’t understand Christ the same as he did.
Now saying that, I hope I don’t hear the Romans breaking down the door to grab me for heresy, later period of course.
Re: Judas - Carus Andiae - 05-02-2006
Quote:"Truth" is a very encompassing word. A lot of times it’s subjective to the ideas and beliefs of the individual or even the times.
.
"What is truth?" (Pontius Pilate, Gospel According to John, 18:38 ) :wink:
You are quite right that 'truth' is highly subjective (to quote Professor Indiana Jones, "Achaeology is the search for facts, not truth" :lol: ), and I was of course speaking from the point of view of a present day Christian.
Re: Gospel of Judas - Dan Howard - 05-19-2006
What exactly did Judas betray? As far as I can tell Jesus' location that night was hardly a secret. So if Judas did not betray Jesus' location then what exactly did he do?
Re: Gospel of Judas - Tarbicus - 05-19-2006
He pointed out who Jesus was. Imagine Tony Curtis standing up, pointing at Kirk Douglas and shouting "He's Spartacus!" Boos from the audience.
Re: Gospel of Judas - Robert Vermaat - 05-19-2006
Quote:What exactly did Judas betray? As far as I can tell Jesus' location that night was hardly a secret. So if Judas did not betray Jesus' location then what exactly did he do?Well, first of all, where did you find that about the location?
But besides that, Jesus wasn't exactly a wanted man, so maybe Judas (according to the current view anyway) also accused Jesus of the religious crimes we see him later being accused of?