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Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-06-2009

Nice kit Giannis,

i take it that is your Manning Corinthian?

Looks great!


Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - Servio Caro (Javier Sánc - 01-06-2009

Nice pics, it looks good to keep you warm!! I should buy one, my house is like a fridge. :mrgreen:


Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-06-2009

I use my paenula to keep warm! LOL


Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - barcid - 01-07-2009

Giannis , very nice gear & a Goddess . Lucky Hoplite Big Grin


Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - Giannis K. Hoplite - 01-07-2009

Thanks for the comments guys. Caesar,this is my manning helm,donated to me by Kenn Forbis. By own order will have to wait another year to be completed! Javier,it is indeed very warm and extremely heavy. The wool is hard and the goat fur feels somewhat like wearing pins on you,but you get used to it. I do indeed intend to use it in my house,on my bed perhaps or sofa...
The problem with accurate thracian cloaks is that they seem to have had a distinctive pattern and one can't find such a woven piece. I wouldn't want to destroy such a kilim cutting pieces and sewing them elsewhere in order to use it only as a thracian cloak...Perhaps next time i will go search specificly about this re-enacting,but again there is so much great work done on these pieces that it ought to be an expert to convert it into a thracian cloak.
Khairete
Giannis


Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - Peter Raftos - 01-07-2009

A very inexpensive way to go Thracian with an acceptable pattern is to use Navaho, Mexican and Apache pattern horse /saddle / trade blankets.

Make sure they are a minimum of 30"x60".Some saddle pads are advertised as sadle blankets and you'll end up with a miniskirt.
Go with natural fibres and make sure they are unlined.
Avoid fleecy fabrics
Avoid day glo colours
Make sure they don't have knee pads sewn on

Some examples:

Handwoven, wool/cotton blend
[url:1ajmeqtw]http://www.chicksaddlery.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Category_Code=1030&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NB30[/url]

All cotton but a larger range
[url:1ajmeqtw]http://www.westernshop.com/cgi-bin/product_detail.cgi?id=62b9e94169d13c240127be3ca96acf03&product=13444[/url]

Throw rugs come in Thracian looking patterns as well:

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You can also add flying phalloi and other patterns with fabric paint if you really want to.


Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - Kineas - 01-07-2009

Winter Operations in Thrakia--oops, that's Canada

Here's a couple of Plataeans on a hike in late December. We'll be out again in January.

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Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - Kallimachos - 01-08-2009

You guys are tough Big Grin wink:


Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - Giannis K. Hoplite - 01-08-2009

I love the first man's cloak and leg wraps. Don't they get wet with snow?


Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - John Conyard - 01-08-2009

I'm interested in the leg wraps and footwear used in these shots. Can you provide us with any information on the type of foot coverings and their performance?


Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - Kineas - 01-08-2009

The sound of silence here is me waiting for Theron or Sekundar to reply themselves. It's their research and their kit!

However, I'm pretty sure that they have reproduced in heavy wool what most of us here in Toronto now think was done in felt--a wrap around "boot" that fit the foot and lower leg under a sandal, and was then wrapped with a leather strap. Hunters and travelers are often shown in these, and sometimes cavalrymen.

That felt "boot" or "sock" is pictured on vases--often under a couch at a symposium--and I think that folks often miss that it was worn WITH a sandal, not alone.

by the same token, you see a bit of fur poking out of the top of "Thracian" boots. As far as I can judge, looking at a bunch of illustrations, in winter, Greeks and Thracians both wore "stockings" made of soft animal skins (fur side in) under their buskins/boots/Thracian boots (or call them what you will.) This is the only thing that makes sense to me looking at the illustrations, and it is consistent with native American moccasin use (two or three pairs worn over each other).

I'm also pretty sure that Sekundar is wearing Scythian boots--short unsoled boots like moccasins.

Wrap around puttees of wool are dead easy to make and also seem pretty common in period. As long as you don't wrap too tight, you can get your foot and your leg warm and comfortable.


Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - Giannis K. Hoplite - 01-08-2009

Hi Kineas. Before expressing my doubts about felt boots shown often worn under sandals and shown under the coutches,I also wait for Theron or Sekundar to post their evidence. However,similar wraps,natural wool colour,were worn not long ago by Thracians in my area. They tied them with wool cloth,not leather and wore them with skin pointed shoes,similar to the pointed shoes shown in vases.
I wasn't able to find photos of them,but I found videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ln9spm9xBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MDAT6G6 ... re=related
Similar leg wraps I have seen by Byzantine re-enactors I think.Though not that thick.
Khaire
Giannis


Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - Kineas - 01-08-2009

I won't argue either way. The dancers are wearing a practical and possible interpretation, too.


Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - John Conyard - 01-11-2009

Comitatus do lots of cross country walks and I'm always interested in other peoples footwear and winter clothing.

I must admit that the classical period is not my main focus. However I do dabble in, and recreate a large number of other periods.

I would be comfortable with interpreting soldiers of this period wearing felt, or perhaps felted sprang style "socks" worn under a set of military sandals. Indeed I'll be wearing that combination tomorrow. Various versions of leg wraps are pretty standard. Puttee style woollen leg wraps are held up beneath the knee by a variety of methods over time. Cross tying and simple spiral winding works well. Linen or leather "straps" holding the binding beneath the knees seems common. In other periods hooked tags or buckled garters could be used. Simple rectangles of material tied at the ankle and knee are good standard outdoor clothing.

But I wondered if the Canadian walkers were wearing high Thracian or cavalry style boots. And if so how were they constructed?


Re: Show here your Greek warrior impression - Kineas - 01-21-2009

I have high Thracian boots and I'll be wearing them in a week. Marc Auger made Scythian style boots that look remarkably like our Woodland Indian moccasins. Cuyler Young at the Royal Ontario Museum told us that Scythian moccasins are so like North American as to give an ethnologist pause.
My boots were commercially made by a craftsman in the US and though her heart was in the right place, I don't think her seams are. I'll make my own pair in the spring.