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Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - Hoplitesmores - 09-01-2006
Is that a strap or am i mistaking.Quite wide if it is.
Re: Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - Hoplitesmores - 09-01-2006
so if we put the helm on using photoshop...
Re: Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - hoplite14gr - 09-01-2006
The photoshop conversion makes me think the possibility.
I was more inclined to think that it was part of the arming cup in the firsr image.
Kind regards
Re: Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - Dan Diffendale - 09-01-2006
It seems to me to be pretty clearly an "arming cap." If you look at the back of the neck, you'll see the same upturned flap as at the side. Now it's possible the two side flaps tied together under the neck, and the one in the back just hung out -- but why they would, I don't know. I had a picture of a terracotta Athena head which showed the cap, but it's lost on my dead computer at the moment...
Re: Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - Comerus Gallus - 09-01-2006
Connolly has show it more clearly on his paintings. Its purples?
Re: Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - Kallimachos - 09-01-2006
i always thought that a strap is necesarry on greek helmets and couldn't belive the commen opinion that the greeks didn't got straps on there helmets. It could be one on this pic.
Re: Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - Tarbicus - 09-01-2006
Arming cap or liner. Have you considered it may be glued at the bottom to keep it in place, and when the helmet is lifted it rolls up the liner into that shape?
Re: Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - Comerus Gallus - 09-01-2006
To solve almost this mistery, look bellow...
Hope to find one day the helmet down with the straps.
Corinthian with rivetted straps
Real Corinthian Helm, with holes on its cheeck, High resolution
Re: Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - Kallimachos - 09-01-2006
Thanks I know the pics. There are more detailed pics for Korithians, Chalkidean and Attic Helmets with holes. I just wish, that the common believe, that greeks didn't got straps, will vanish.
Re: Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - Anonymous - 09-02-2006
Homer describes Menelaus as dragging Paris by the crest of his helmet and of Aphrodite breaking the chin-strap to enable him to escape. The strap is described as "embroidered". Homer describes helmets which are clearly antique (boars' tusk types ) and others which might have been worn in his own day, so this is relevant. Furthermore, it seems to me unlikely that the practice of strapping helmets on would be abandoned in later times, even if he is describing the past.
Re: Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - Tarbicus - 09-02-2006
Why couldn't an 'attached' arming cap be seen as both that and a functioning chin strap? It could still be rivetted to the helmet (or tied) at the points indicated, but be easily replaceable, and keep the helmet stable. It would also fit with the first picture posted where material has clearly rolled up beneath the helmet when lifted, but that would mean it was attached somehow to the helm.
I have an arming cap for my Roman Gallic helmet that covers the cheeks. If I thread the ties through the cheekpiece tie rings, as well as use the usual thongs, it helps keep the helmet much more stable but I can still remove the arming cap.
Re: Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - Arthes - 09-02-2006
Greetings,
it would seem to make more sense as a glancing head blow could knock the kranos and obscure the eyes, especially if it was inherited and not a good fit ...and the cavalry would need a way of stabalising the kranos during a charge...
Talking about Athena...this is rather nice..Athena
regards
Arthes
Re: Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - Anonymous - 09-03-2006
Quote:Greetings,
it would seem to make more sense as a glancing head blow could knock the kranos and obscure the eyes, especially if it was inherited and not a good fit ...and the cavalry would need a way of stabalising the kranos during a charge...
Talking about Athena...this is rather nice..Athena
regards
Arthes
This one's a bit androgenous for my liking. :? lol:
Re: Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - Comerus Gallus - 09-03-2006
Athena use Nike shoes to go shoping at the mall of Olympos!
Re: Helm Strap in Athena\'s statue - Hoplitesmores - 09-04-2006
since this an arming cap that one on athena is definetely a strap showing