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Re: flying 262s again... - Tiberius Claudius Vindex - 11-17-2006
Quote:this one apparently is rotting away in Colombia...
also in Latin America there are still hidreds of Dakota, B-25 and other WWII vintage relic wrecks deteriorating away...
which makes me feel very very sad!
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0090gy0.jpg
M.VIB.M.
All things considered that Catalina doesn't look like its in too bad shape, it shouldn't be too hard to get back in flying condition.
A friend of a friend actually just got ahold of a P-51 recently for the bargain of $30,000 US. He went to some auction out in the middle of nowhere and one of the items for auction was marked "plane in a box." He asked the auctioneer if he could see what it was and the guy let him, inside was a perfectly preserved in grease P-51. He immediatley called his banker and made sure he could get a loan then bid, apparantly no-one else there knew what it was and how much it was worth, he was the only bidder and got it for that price.
Re: flying 262s again... - MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 11-17-2006
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! can you post a pic?
M.VIB.M.
Re: flying 262s again... - TITVS SABATINVS AQVILIVS - 11-17-2006
Quote:A friend of a friend actually just got ahold of a P-51 recently for the bargain of $30,000 US. He went to some auction out in the middle of nowhere and one of the items for auction was marked "plane in a box." He asked the auctioneer if he could see what it was and the guy let him, inside was a perfectly preserved in grease P-51. He immediatley called his banker and made sure he could get a loan then bid, apparantly no-one else there knew what it was and how much it was worth, he was the only bidder and got it for that price.
hock: $30,000 US? Preserved in grease too! CHE CULO!! (idiomatic italian expression meaning: what an exagerated luck!)
S**T! My damned car is more expensive!!
![[Image: P51.GIF]](http://showcase.netins.net/web/pedalplane/P51.GIF)
Valete!
Re: flying 262s again... - Matt Lukes - 11-18-2006
Quote:inside was a perfectly preserved in grease P-51.
HOLY CRAP
hock: That's the kind of guy I'd like to follow around the racetrack...
Re: flying 262s again... - Tiberius Claudius Vindex - 11-20-2006
Quote:WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! can you post a pic?
M.VIB.M.
I'll talk to my friend and see if he can send me some.
Re: flying 262s again... - tlclark - 11-20-2006
Quote:And you know that the P-51 was designed by a German- Edgar Schmued :wink:
And Von Braum ripped off Goddard for the V-2.
Damn Germans.
:roll:
Re: flying 262s again... - Narukami - 11-20-2006
And...
The US M60 machine gun was inspired directly by the German MG34 / 42.
The Soviet RPG from the German Panzerfaust.
The AK47 from the MP44.
Could we even make the case that the wide spread use of camouflage was inspire by its use in Waffen-SS units?
That is probably stretching it a bit. :roll:
Then again...
:wink:
Narukami
Re: flying 262s again... - TITVS SABATINVS AQVILIVS - 11-20-2006
And the soviet MIG-15 directly from Focke-Wulf Ta 183:
![[Image: lpa3.jpg]](http://www.luft46.com/lpa3.jpg)
![[Image: multhrop.jpg]](http://www.luft46.com/fw/multhrop.jpg)
Hans Multhrop, Focke-Wulf designer
And the american Bell X-5 directly from the Messerschmitt P.1101:
![[Image: p1100-4.jpg]](http://www.luft46.com/mess/p1100-4.jpg)
Valete,
Re: flying 262s again... - Matt Lukes - 11-21-2006
Quote:Matt L:32h76ivs Wrote:And you know that the P-51 was designed by a German- Edgar Schmued :wink:
And Von Braum ripped off Goddard for the V-2.
Damn Germans.
:roll:
Oh please :lol: Then the Wright Brothers ripped off about 50 others for the airplane
Re: flying 262s again... - Robert Vermaat - 11-21-2006
Quote:Oh please :lol: Then the Wright Brothers ripped off about 50 others for the airplaneDid you not know? There was some German guy who flew a powered airplane before the Wright brothers. No, seriously. But then there was a New Zealander before him, and the first was an American, Lyman Gilmore, on May 15, 1902.
Re: flying 262s again... - tlclark - 11-21-2006
On the Germans...
To add to the list, the American Sea-wolf submarine and the electric torpedo were both ripped off of German designs. And then there was the space race, which was more or less a contest between our Germans and the Soviet's Germans.
It has been said that if it weren't for the Germans there wouldn't have been a war, not even if you don't consider the whole nazi/fascism angle.
They were just dang smart. No doubt about it.
On the Wright brothers...
Yeah there were plenty of people flying before the Wright's. They were also crashing. The thing that the Wrights did was invent controlled flight.
In 1908 they demonstrated their utter superiority in Paris. Santos Dumont was devasted by how much more advanced the wright's design was.
It's positively silly to talk about others inventing powered flight. The Wrights owned that title.
It's kinda like a strange phenomenon I've noticed among Italian-Americans. There is apparently an Italian that supposedly invented the phone before Bell. All investigations demonstrate that while he had the basic ideas he was far behind Bell in actual execution. In sum, the claim that someone else invented the phone is just fatuous, but Italian Americans are just adamant about it. I suppose it dates from a time of ethnic persecution of Italians in america, but it just baffles me. Italians had the Romans, the Renaissance, Galileo...good grief. You'd think that'd be enough to assuage any inferiority complex. Why go whoring after the humble telephone? It's the same way with flight.
In many ways, the accomplishments of Santos and the Germans far outstrip the Wrights contributions, but I suppose there is a special yearning for "firsts" even if the "firsts" are far more humble than the later developments.
Personally, I'd rather be the culture that invented warp drive, than the one that first put a man in orbit.
Travis
Re: flying 262s again... - Robert Vermaat - 11-21-2006
Quote: Yeah there were plenty of people flying before the Wright's. They were also crashing. The thing that the Wrights did was invent controlled flight.Yes.
In many ways, the accomplishments of Santos and the Germans far outstrip the Wrights contributions, but I suppose there is a special yearning for "firsts" even if the "firsts" are far more humble than the later developments.
There's first and firsts. The Wrights were not the first ones to fly nor the firsts to invent or excute powered flight. They were the ones to get ahead with controlled flight, indeed, that's their accomplishment. You can't have modern flight without it. However, the Wrights are now getting all the credit, which simply is not theirs. It's like that old mistake of saying the Roman Empire ended in 476.
Quote: Personally, I'd rather be the culture that invented warp drive, than the one that first put a man in orbit.Not me. Who know what you'll bring back? Why are (almost) all SF stories and theories so positive? I bet there's some big galactic empire out there that somehow missed us or does not bother. But when we invent warp drive... EEKS!
Re: flying 262s again... - TITVS SABATINVS AQVILIVS - 11-21-2006
Travis wrote:
Quote:There is apparently an Italian that supposedly invented the phone before Bell. All investigations demonstrate that while he had the basic ideas he was far behind Bell in actual execution.
Do you know the last news about it?:
[url:2vy3ttqj]http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,738675,00.html[/url]
Valete,
Re: flying 262s again... - tlclark - 11-21-2006
Quote:However, the Wrights are now getting all the credit, which simply is not theirs. It's like that old mistake of saying the Roman Empire ended in 476.
True. I've been teaching surveys lately - I guess I'm knee-deep in generalities.
Quote:tlclark:5kwwb1aw Wrote:Personally, I'd rather be the culture that invented warp drive, than the one that first put a man in orbit.Not me. Who know what you'll bring back? Why are (almost) all SF stories and theories so positive? I bet there's some big galactic empire out there that somehow missed us or does not bother. But when we invent warp drive... EEKS!
If that was true, they would have been here by now. I'm with Enrico Fermi on that one. Every single island in the pacific bigger than a rock was inhabited when Europeans discovered them. The pursuit of resources has caused humans to occupy every scrap of usuable land. I can't imagine it would be any different for any space-faring species.
If there was a galactic empire out there, we'd be toast already.
Re: flying 262s again... - tlclark - 11-21-2006
Quote:Travis wrote:
Quote:There is apparently an Italian that supposedly invented the phone before Bell. All investigations demonstrate that while he had the basic ideas he was far behind Bell in actual execution.
Do you know the last news about it?:
[url:2yn9cl22]http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,738675,00.html[/url]
Valete,
Oh boy. Michelangelo and Galileo not enough for ya huh? :roll:
I'll check out the link. Thanks.
Travis