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Akinakkes? - jonwr - 12-10-2006

Anyone know where i might find this item(replica) or parts to make same?
I have been kicking around the idea of a 5thC Scythian. Hardest bits to find seem to be the side arms.Have bow ,gorytos etc. Even have the horse :lol:
Any help to a newbie would be most appreciated.
Jon Ractliffe.

Re: Akinakkes? - Marcus Germanicus Ferox - 12-11-2006

Hi there

Check out our website www.hoplites.org and the sister site 4hoplites...loads of info on there. As regards the sword very diifcult to find commercially. You may have to make it or commission the build. Any probs PM me. All the best.

Regards

Mark

Re: Akinakkes? - hoplite14gr - 12-11-2006

Keep in mind that if you plan to reenact something more than light horse you might need a longer blade. Skythian designs existed but also a "captured" long bladed Greek sword would do.
Kind regards

Re: Akinakkes? - S AUFIDIUS - 12-11-2006

You' re searching for something like this?
http://www.archaeoreplik.de/images/akinakes.jpg

Re: Akinakkes? - Treveri Gaul - 12-11-2006

Salve Ratcliffe.


www.szkita.lap.hu This is a Hungaryan website. Many information, sword, bows etc.

Regards

Akinakkes? - jonwr - 12-11-2006

Thanks for the help guys. Light horse/archer is where I would like to take this.
Saw a pic in Osprey of archer wearing "captured" Greek linen amour,is that correct?
Rainer thats just what I'm looking for. Did you make it or have it commissioned? Of course a long Greek bronze blade would be nice.
Trying to convince the wife may be tough though.
Istvan thanks for the link. Going to have to sort out the English parts over time.

Re: Akinakkes? - Marcus Germanicus Ferox - 12-12-2006

Hi Jon

yes it is true..... the Scythians did use the lineothorax and sometimes they used captured helmets. They used to cut the cheeks and nasal out of corinthians and just use the bowl!!! Mad!! Some of the guys in our group that do Scythian wear the lineothorax.

hope it helps

Mark.

Re: Akinakkes? - hoplite14gr - 12-12-2006

Jon your possibilities are endless and as modern reanctor are limited only by your funds.

Heavy Skythian cavalry could wear corinthian helmet, linothorax and "anaxyridae"-skins reinforced with scales covering the legs.
The Greek equipment could be either looted or traded because many Northern Greek colonies hired Skythians.
Athenians maintained a "mameluk-like" Skythian unit of horse archers doubling as policemen! So linothorax is a valid option.

The weapons could range from dagger to longswords Skythic or Greek.
But the deadlier was the saggaris. A pick-axe that could penetrate helmets. Most illustrations show one.

Cretan archers used closed helmets so archery with a closed helm is not a trouble. Do not destroy a helemet only on speculation.
Snow tiger or snow lepard caps are also an option.
Hope it helps

Kind regards

Re: Akinakkes? - Marcus Germanicus Ferox - 12-12-2006

Hi Stephanos

Not suggesting that he destroy a helmet matey, Zeus forbid!! :lol: - only pointing out that some did do it as a preference..

Mark.

Re: Akinakkes? - hoplite14gr - 12-12-2006

I understand Mark.
I only dipute the "closed helmet bad for missile use" theory!
Kind regards

Re: Akinakkes? - S AUFIDIUS - 12-13-2006

@ jonwr:

The manufacturer of the shown akinakes is Steve Lenz from Munich.
He is more familiar to the bronze age, but makes some more things.
His website is : http://www.archaeoreplik.de/
(only in german, select "Eisenzeit" on the left side to see more products)

Akinakkes? - jonwr - 12-16-2006

Rainer
Thanks for the link.
As someone else mentioned my options seem only limited by my bank account. Maybe will have to sell one of the wife's horses on the QT.
I think this is going to be a long term project. Getting a piece of kit here and there. Then finding a group I can go "play" with.
jonwr.

Akinakkes? - jonwr - 12-16-2006

As an aside. I did find this page.
http://gate.cia.edu/cbergengren/arthist ... index.html
If you scroll down to figure 4 the is a nice depiction of Scythians attaching a Greek cavalryman.
jonwr

Re: Akinakkes? - Robert Vermaat - 12-16-2006

Always found this one puzzling! Religion or daily life? Young man vs. large bald woman? Or warrior visiting priestess? You tell me! Big Grin
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Re: Akinakkes? - hoplite14gr - 12-16-2006

Well done Jon.
You got picture of the pick-axe. It was probably a king's weapon-Not ceremonial as scholars like to say. Skythians loved to display their wealth.
The cavalryman is a Skythian noble with a Corinthian helmet not a Greek.
The "anxyriadae" are visible and the artifact has been used as a source for Skythian heavy cavalry reconstructions.

Panther at pic. 15 is interesting. Some sources say that Saka had caps made from snow leopard skin.

Be careful with the "tatoo crowd". I advice you to check the threads "Buttered Skythians" in the Greek Section and other Skythian related links here.

Be sure to get good price for the lady's horse because if she gets upset she might try to reenact a "Skythian headhunting girl" :lol:

Kind regards