Italic D Helmet

[Doc]

This may have been discussed before, but if I recall, the original "Italic D" does not have the eagles in such detail.

Thus I was wondering why it was included in the deepeeka version which is otherwise excellent. I am entertaining purchasing this helmet which is why I am asking.

Also, the eagles' base appears to extend well below the peek, as can be seen on the reconstruction by Brian Stobbs (Armamentarium) and on the original.

I know Brian Stobbs also detailed the eagles but this was only at the customers request.

Thanks

Paolo

[Tarbicus]

This may have been discussed before, but if I recall, the original "Italic D" does not have the eagles in such detail. ...

I know Brian Stobbs also detailed the eagles but this was only at the customers request.

The original does have details which is attested to by the museum staff and those who examined it with their fingers, not old photos :wink: It's in one of the 'new Italic D' threads, brought to light by Heiko IIRC.

[Praefectusclassis]

Actually, some detail is visible through the display glass as well. Fingers not required. :wink:

[Doc]

Thanks for the reply.

It would seem logical that there would be something on those eagles but looking at the RAT photos I cannot see anything.

I guess touching it or having new closeup images would reveal more.
I remember speaking to Dan Peterson who also told me that the eagles on the original do not have signs of detail.

Thus knowing who he is and what I could not see on the RAT photos gave me a certain bias towards the details on the eagles.

Tarbicus, do you have that thread so that I can read it.

Paolo

[Tarbicus]

Apparently, what can be seen as detail is fairly limited, but it's there:
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic. ... 9909#79909

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

This may have been discussed before, but if I recall, the original "Italic D" does not have the eagles in such detail.

Thus I was wondering why it was included in the deepeeka version which is otherwise excellent. I am entertaining purchasing this helmet which is why I am asking.

Also, the eagles' base appears to extend well below the peek, as can be seen on the reconstruction by Brian Stobbs (Armamentarium) and on the original.

I know Brian Stobbs also detailed the eagles but this was only at the customers request.

Thanks

Paolo

I got the impression he did it because it was on the original :?

[MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS]

all nice and well but why do they keep missing the round discs on the cheek-pieces.....

http://www.romanarmy.com/cms/images/sto ... talD-1.jpg

M.VIB.M.

ps i will post some of the pictures of the best reconstruction of this helmet i have seen so far, made by Nigel Cluff several years ago. The helmet is the private property of one of my fellow Gemina members...

of all the helmets i have seen his helmets have always been the best..... sadly he is either no longer among us or has vanished into the blue, i for one do not know if he is still around...

[MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS]

HELMET PICS... (btw he also did not do the discs)







(you can see the back bronze plate is the correct ONE PIECE!! style)

[MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS]

now why deepeeka chose fringy wings, and a two-piece backplate i do not know)

ps: sharpening the images you can do yourself........ LOL

M.VIB.M.

[Tarbicus]

all nice and well but why do they keep missing the round discs on the cheek-pieces.....

http://www.romanarmy.com/cms/images/sto ... talD-1.jpg

IIRC, that cheek piece was a single found part in the museum that wasn't with the helmet originally.

[MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS]

Ah okay! i didnt know that! lol...

By the way, i heard that a lot of these italic D type helmets with the elaborate decorations are supposed to have been used by a single unit..... higher up the ladder....

now wether or not that is true i do not know..

is there anyone who can shed some light on this?

btw if id buy one of the deepeeka D-s one day i will strip it bare and redecorate it myself without rivets!

M.VIB.M.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

The new one is without the rivets.... :?