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Hi,
I'm looking into putting together an early imperial double belt and was wondering, which of the belts (pugio/gladius) would the apron attach to?
Or does it matter?
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I think on almost all the grave steles that are known the apron is attached to the belt with the pugio.
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Quote:I think on almost all the grave steles that are known the apron is attached to the belt with the pugio.
Yes.
Also, the pugio belt with the apron usually is seen being worn first, the sword belt on second, with the sword belt over the pugio/apron belt.
Please note, and you can really see this very clearly in each example, the pugio is often attached directly to (or strapped very, very tightly) to the frogs, not dangling on a long piece of leather.
Examples for you:
[url:3q02o9g1]http://www.romanarmy.com/cms/images/thumbs/imagebase_FirstnameAB_lg_AnnaiusDaverzusd1_jpg_large.jpg[/url]
[url:3q02o9g1]http://www.romanarmy.com/cms/images/thumbs/imagebase_FirstnameNP_lg_PFlavoleiusCordusd1_jpg_large.jpg[/url]
[url:3q02o9g1]http://www.romanarmy.com/cms/images/stories/imagebase/Unknowns/lg_unkMilesMainzIId1.jpg[/url]
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Quote:Please note, and you can really see this very clearly in each example, the pugio is often attached directly to (or strapped very, very tightly) to the frogs, not dangling on a long piece of leather.
Heh heh heh...
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic. ... 411#133411
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Quote:Heh heh heh...
Yup, you are the MAN on that one!!! 8)
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Quote:Hi,
I'm looking into putting together an early imperial double belt
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Yet, in the second stele, the pugio belt is over the sword belt!
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Take a look at this PDF article by Mike Bishop. It also includes lot of statistics.
http://www.mcbishop.co.uk/jrmes/vol03/bishop.pdf
http://www.mcbishop.co.uk/write.htm
Definitely the pugio belt that your apron should attach to.
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Not argueing about which belt to attach to Jim! I actually see a few more in his article wit hthe pugio belt over the sword belt! Must have been a morning rush thing maybe? Or just personal taste!
But definately the pugio is always on the aproned belt!
(whew, got it right finally)
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Quote:Not argueing about which belt to attach to Jim! I actually see a few more in his article wit hthe pugio belt over the sword belt! Must have been a morning rush thing maybe? Or just personal taste!
But definately the pugio is always on the aproned belt!
(whew, got it right finally)
I don't see a single one, Byron. Which Figure numbers are you thinking of?
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Plus anthony's link I copid in the previous post!
And don't go altering the images!!!!!!!!! I know what you can do wit hcomputers boyo!!!!! :lol: :lol:
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Below both belts, so I'd say it's a sculptural "indiscretion".
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Nahhhh, that's definitely attached to the back of the pugio belt.
Quote:Plus anthony's link I copid in the previous post!
Attached to the back of the pugio belt. Typical Rhineland apron belt. That's a pugio on his left hip - You can see the gladius on his right hip in the full gravestone.
Quote:And don't go altering the images!!!!!!!!! I know what you can do wit hcomputers boyo!!!!! :lol: :lol:
No need to alter anything
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Thanks very much everyone!!
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Ave,
Well I did say "the pugio belt with the apron usually is seen being worn first, the sword belt on second, with the sword belt over the pugio/apron belt." :wink:
I'm also quite sure someone, sometime, during the history of the Roman Empire wore two pugios, two swords, or attached everything to one belt.... it's just most examples show two belts with the pugio attached to the apron belt etc.
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Yes, I agree! :lol:
However....I think you can see the sword belt is behind the pugio/apron belt there....
That is what I was saying, however it may have been interpreted!
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