Linothorax design/construction

[Paullus Scipio]

And hoplite shields well existed in the third quarter of the 7th c.bc. at least.(chighi vase).

...please read what I posted - I did not say Hoplite shields didn't exist earlier, just the 'big-bellied' type. I understand that for many on RAT, english is not their native language and so misunderstandings easily occur.
To clarify here, there are at least three variations of Hoplite shield. The earliest ( such as the Chigi vase) are shown as shallow dishes with a depth of no more than 10cm and a 5 cm rim, with an even curvature. The structure appears to be laminated strips. This type is shown on black-figure pottery, but around 550 B.C, a new type appears, with a'big belly', at least 15cm deep and the curvature gets much steeper toward the rim. This type is solid, made on a lathe ( the Vatican shield is of this type). Finally, two shield fragments found by Kunze at Olympia had curved struts on the interior to strengthen them ( c.f. the scutum, as it got lighter and thinner had structural stiffeners added )

Paul,the evidence for the use of linen to make "tube and yoke" thorakes is poor

...very poor ! ( ) D
And speaking of evidence....

but he is indeed in a time that the new type of armour would be introduced

....one should refrain from contentious statements like this when there is absolutely no evidence to support it.

I hate it that we are many "attacking" you all together

...Thank you for the sympathy, Giannis cry:

but we don't have an obvious reason to support linen instead of leather,

...but you do ! You have all grown up with Connolly, and so you intuitively " know" that greeks wore linen corselets, even though, as we have seen, there is little or no evidence for it ( and I haven't forgotten Pausanias !). If you read earlier writers than Connolly(who gets much wrong ), such as Anderson and Snodgrass, there is no 'linen bias', but rather a 'leather bias', based on all the evidence. And of course there is nothing like going to contemporary sources oneself !!
The very words used suggest non-linen, as I have tried to show.
If I use a word such as "plate", you all know that it is a dish made of ceramic china. If I want to show it is made of something else, I must qualify the word, thus "silver plate" or "plastic plate". Similarly "thorakes "was understood to mean the Hoplite's body-armour of bronze. If, for example, foreign body-armour was made of something else, the word must be qualified, thus 'thorakes lineoi' and 'Aigyptious thorekas'.

Hr hr, never looked at it from this point of view. I've just received a big piece of leather and suddenly I think, Paul is right... :wink: ..... PS.Wolfgang,I'm sending you 10 kgs of fine "new" linen... :lol: :lol: Are you still with Paullus?

Gentlemen, your light-hearted banter hides another truth, as many other re-enactors have discovered - it is alot easier to make a tube-and-yoke coselet from leather ! :wink: :wink: