08-08-2007, 04:35 AM
Yeah, Germanicus was the man, all right. A pity his killers didn't see the 'Smack Down Applier' sign on him...
Well, I don't know enough about the later Empire to talk about it with any knowledge. But I would echo what Byron/Caesar said about Teutoburger being the turning point. Romans had been horribly defeated before, but they kept trying. They kept trying after Teutoburger too, what with Germanicus going after Hermann and winning. But Hermann's win over Varus rocked the Romans' world, and changed their whole strategic direction. He and his tribesmen lost the battles after that, but he'd made his point, and the Romans got it for once. All in all, a very long term victory for Trans-Rhine Germania, and defeat for Rome.
Likewise with Parthia's win at Carrhae. They had to make some diplomatic concessions, like returning the eagles of Crassus' legions, but they never had to deal with the legions again to my knowledge. Though Caesar would tried, had he lived.
Well, I don't know enough about the later Empire to talk about it with any knowledge. But I would echo what Byron/Caesar said about Teutoburger being the turning point. Romans had been horribly defeated before, but they kept trying. They kept trying after Teutoburger too, what with Germanicus going after Hermann and winning. But Hermann's win over Varus rocked the Romans' world, and changed their whole strategic direction. He and his tribesmen lost the battles after that, but he'd made his point, and the Romans got it for once. All in all, a very long term victory for Trans-Rhine Germania, and defeat for Rome.
Likewise with Parthia's win at Carrhae. They had to make some diplomatic concessions, like returning the eagles of Crassus' legions, but they never had to deal with the legions again to my knowledge. Though Caesar would tried, had he lived.
---AH Mervla, aka Joel Boynton
Legio XIIII, Gemina Martia Victrix
Legio XIIII, Gemina Martia Victrix
