07-28-2008, 12:57 PM
Vale Tarbicus.
Scientific results
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This is the origin Magyar text: http://www.kurultaj.hu/eredmenyek
In the course of the anthropological examinations eight different heads and I fixed a face size, and the szinkomplexiót and I examined the characteristic morphological tickets (detailed tables and the results in the anthropological article appearing soon legible).
In his totality verifiable, that the head and based on face ones a brachycephal (little face), smaller part mesocephal, long face, significantly europid basis population (basis populations) and with a different type mongolid forms (not inevitably Mongolians!) continuous (in more waves to be realized) a character band took shape through his mixing the madjar is typical of the today's members of a population. In many cases so taxonomy groups demonstrable the torgaji between madjarok, that they are on a sign in the Carpathian Basin Hungarian nationalities. On today's Kazakisztán huge area from an anthropological viewpoint most heterogeneous the population (Ismagulov,1968). Merely the kazak the differences may be whacking because of the different regions inside a folk függően, and the components of the taxonomy characters may be most diverse even on an area.
Would be heavy taking the continuous migration into consideration to establish merely with anthropological methods, this metizációs the accurate geographical place of zones and his time. In all these beside the chronicles and traditions the different disciplines (history, archaeology, ethnography stb) his cooperation and the genetic researches may give additional footings.
Genetic examinations:
In the latter period the geneticists - it based on the characteristics of Y chromosome, polymorphisms appearing on a chromosome turning up concerned on this exclusively in men - kifejlesztették a mindezidáig leghatékonyabb populációgenetikai összehasonlÃtó módszert (Y-kromoszóma STR-ek* és SNP statisztikai alapú elemzése). It Y chromosome offers the best opportunities in the exploration of the paternal lineage lines (being recombined flies the one according to the consecutive blood does not show a considerable difference from father to son, because of this between generations). It Y- the characters of polymorphisms taking shape in the course of the generations in chromosomes may separate the paternal lines of the different populations well however, may nominate it concerned they his contact between each other, and may give a footing possibly the branching out onto his time.
Madjar to the research of a tribe's genetic relationships we selected this method (Rosser et al, 2000). I bought a genetic sample from altogether 106 men in the course of the expedition (he managed to extract DNA from these in all cases in the labouratory later), from which it was possible to separate 46 paternal lines.
We did the labouratory examinations and analysing in Budapesti Orvosszakértői Intézet DNS Laboratórium Dr. Pamzsav Horolma vezetésével, Dr.Völgyi Antónia és Zalán Andrea genetikusok közreműködésével. Our detailed genetic professional article appears soon (expectedly in a December).
DNS Laboratórium it forensic and expert research institutes' Budapesti Univ. working under his management institute (BOI) serves as his organizational unit.
DNS Laboratórium basic activity the judicial orders, apart from a lawsuit in cases and based on commissions fatherhood DNA the accomplishment of examinations.
The ancillary activity of ISZKI BOI DNS Laboratórium the continuation of the applied research, which is attached directly, it forensic genetic/to an expert activity and indirectly to the fundamental research.
Madjar tribe Y-kromoszóma SNP data based on international cooperation examined and we compared it with the data of 38 published different populations selected by us (that they derive from Eurázsia different areas), between them with the Hungary Hungarian sample. They are included in the selected populations there Madjar folk living in a tribe's relative geographical proximity (kazakok, Uzbeks, Russians, evenkik, Mongolians, tadzsikok, Turkmenian, Kyrgyzs stb.). furthermore távolabbiak like that, with which their contact may have been in the course of the times (Turkishs, Uighurs, Ukrainians, Bulgarians, Manchurian, different Caucasus ones, Middle East, for a Finn, Lapp stb.) and Europeans differing for a comparison (Germans, French, Greeks, Polishs, Italians, stb.), Far-Eastern (Koreans, Japaneses, Chineses stb.).
The madjar a tribe's sample proved to be most homogeneous it Y-considering the distribution of haplocsoportok (opposite the heterogenety showed in their anthropology characters!)
It Y-kromoszóma NP analysis (AMOVA analysis, Arlequin with the application of software) results received on his ferry most noteworthy from that viewpoint, that got most close to each other the Hungary Hungarian and the kazakisztáni madjar sample.
Madjar to a tribe's sample the Hungary Hungarian was found the nearest (!),
observing this then it oszét, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Turkish, Uighur, Lapp.
In generality can be related, that rare it, when two are distant places like this because of each other geographically (in a beeline cca. 3000km) shows similarity in a measure like this. General trend, that the different populations are similar to the populations living in their environment better, than to the population of the farther areas. The genetic distance increases by the geographical distance growing generally
(if not too proportionally). Particularly feature this the relatively once (many of his centuries) on a place living person, settled in the case of a basis population leading a lifestyle. The different areas (zones) took shape under characteristic, long time the migration may modify his genetic pattern the most considerably.
It SNP analysis based on results can be rendered probable, that the ancestors of a part of the today's Hungary population and the kazakisztáni Madjar between the ancestors of a population sometime in the past (according to our today's historical and archaeological knowledge with at least 1300-1500 years before) a genetic relationship may have existed. The current Y chromosome examination gives first unambiguously definable (measurable), context and hereby actual join point the today's Carpathian Basin Hungarian population, and beyond a Urál between the population of an area.
Source: BÃró András Zsolt anthropologist
Tarbicus:
You have true is in it that the politics may be a determining thing, but the facts they very stubborn things.The ancestry was not questionable for the Hungarians until the 17. century consciousness. The big Hun leader from Attila's folk there is a word who have the Scythian ancestor from Iran and Mezopotamia.For these the rider archer folks' mixing the today's Hungarian nationalities, and not one of the Finnish-Ugrian folk family's branches
Scientific results
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This is the origin Magyar text: http://www.kurultaj.hu/eredmenyek
In the course of the anthropological examinations eight different heads and I fixed a face size, and the szinkomplexiót and I examined the characteristic morphological tickets (detailed tables and the results in the anthropological article appearing soon legible).
In his totality verifiable, that the head and based on face ones a brachycephal (little face), smaller part mesocephal, long face, significantly europid basis population (basis populations) and with a different type mongolid forms (not inevitably Mongolians!) continuous (in more waves to be realized) a character band took shape through his mixing the madjar is typical of the today's members of a population. In many cases so taxonomy groups demonstrable the torgaji between madjarok, that they are on a sign in the Carpathian Basin Hungarian nationalities. On today's Kazakisztán huge area from an anthropological viewpoint most heterogeneous the population (Ismagulov,1968). Merely the kazak the differences may be whacking because of the different regions inside a folk függően, and the components of the taxonomy characters may be most diverse even on an area.
Would be heavy taking the continuous migration into consideration to establish merely with anthropological methods, this metizációs the accurate geographical place of zones and his time. In all these beside the chronicles and traditions the different disciplines (history, archaeology, ethnography stb) his cooperation and the genetic researches may give additional footings.
Genetic examinations:
In the latter period the geneticists - it based on the characteristics of Y chromosome, polymorphisms appearing on a chromosome turning up concerned on this exclusively in men - kifejlesztették a mindezidáig leghatékonyabb populációgenetikai összehasonlÃtó módszert (Y-kromoszóma STR-ek* és SNP statisztikai alapú elemzése). It Y chromosome offers the best opportunities in the exploration of the paternal lineage lines (being recombined flies the one according to the consecutive blood does not show a considerable difference from father to son, because of this between generations). It Y- the characters of polymorphisms taking shape in the course of the generations in chromosomes may separate the paternal lines of the different populations well however, may nominate it concerned they his contact between each other, and may give a footing possibly the branching out onto his time.
Madjar to the research of a tribe's genetic relationships we selected this method (Rosser et al, 2000). I bought a genetic sample from altogether 106 men in the course of the expedition (he managed to extract DNA from these in all cases in the labouratory later), from which it was possible to separate 46 paternal lines.
We did the labouratory examinations and analysing in Budapesti Orvosszakértői Intézet DNS Laboratórium Dr. Pamzsav Horolma vezetésével, Dr.Völgyi Antónia és Zalán Andrea genetikusok közreműködésével. Our detailed genetic professional article appears soon (expectedly in a December).
DNS Laboratórium it forensic and expert research institutes' Budapesti Univ. working under his management institute (BOI) serves as his organizational unit.
DNS Laboratórium basic activity the judicial orders, apart from a lawsuit in cases and based on commissions fatherhood DNA the accomplishment of examinations.
The ancillary activity of ISZKI BOI DNS Laboratórium the continuation of the applied research, which is attached directly, it forensic genetic/to an expert activity and indirectly to the fundamental research.
Madjar tribe Y-kromoszóma SNP data based on international cooperation examined and we compared it with the data of 38 published different populations selected by us (that they derive from Eurázsia different areas), between them with the Hungary Hungarian sample. They are included in the selected populations there Madjar folk living in a tribe's relative geographical proximity (kazakok, Uzbeks, Russians, evenkik, Mongolians, tadzsikok, Turkmenian, Kyrgyzs stb.). furthermore távolabbiak like that, with which their contact may have been in the course of the times (Turkishs, Uighurs, Ukrainians, Bulgarians, Manchurian, different Caucasus ones, Middle East, for a Finn, Lapp stb.) and Europeans differing for a comparison (Germans, French, Greeks, Polishs, Italians, stb.), Far-Eastern (Koreans, Japaneses, Chineses stb.).
The madjar a tribe's sample proved to be most homogeneous it Y-considering the distribution of haplocsoportok (opposite the heterogenety showed in their anthropology characters!)
It Y-kromoszóma NP analysis (AMOVA analysis, Arlequin with the application of software) results received on his ferry most noteworthy from that viewpoint, that got most close to each other the Hungary Hungarian and the kazakisztáni madjar sample.
Madjar to a tribe's sample the Hungary Hungarian was found the nearest (!),
observing this then it oszét, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Turkish, Uighur, Lapp.
In generality can be related, that rare it, when two are distant places like this because of each other geographically (in a beeline cca. 3000km) shows similarity in a measure like this. General trend, that the different populations are similar to the populations living in their environment better, than to the population of the farther areas. The genetic distance increases by the geographical distance growing generally
(if not too proportionally). Particularly feature this the relatively once (many of his centuries) on a place living person, settled in the case of a basis population leading a lifestyle. The different areas (zones) took shape under characteristic, long time the migration may modify his genetic pattern the most considerably.
It SNP analysis based on results can be rendered probable, that the ancestors of a part of the today's Hungary population and the kazakisztáni Madjar between the ancestors of a population sometime in the past (according to our today's historical and archaeological knowledge with at least 1300-1500 years before) a genetic relationship may have existed. The current Y chromosome examination gives first unambiguously definable (measurable), context and hereby actual join point the today's Carpathian Basin Hungarian population, and beyond a Urál between the population of an area.
Source: BÃró András Zsolt anthropologist
Tarbicus:
You have true is in it that the politics may be a determining thing, but the facts they very stubborn things.The ancestry was not questionable for the Hungarians until the 17. century consciousness. The big Hun leader from Attila's folk there is a word who have the Scythian ancestor from Iran and Mezopotamia.For these the rider archer folks' mixing the today's Hungarian nationalities, and not one of the Finnish-Ugrian folk family's branches
Vallus István 
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