12-17-2003, 04:45 PM
www.geocities.com/ulfberth/Etruscan.htm<br>
Just to add to the confusion.. Scroll down to the greenish and yellowish pictures. The helmet on the right.<br>
Do I see separate roundels on the temples there?<br>
This one is supposedly etruscan, Vth C.B.C.<br>
I always thought the circles represented in painting and sculpture were meant to be temporal volutes integral with the skull as in the Attic style..<br>
That is a type I did not know, which goes to show that unknown types do exist...<br>
The number of segments is not the issue on the Intercisa/Berkasovo. Berkasovo types have been found with two segments (Budapest) and up to six (Deurne).<br>
-In the Berkasovo the skull is riveted to a rather high crown to which are fixed the nasal, cheek plates and neck guard. Sometimes there is an ear hole and sometimes not. The cheekguard hinges are protected by plates.<br>
The construction is of very good quality.<br>
The Eastern/Persian tradition is evident.<br>
-The Intercisa type is always made in two halves, with no high crown, no nasal and cheek guards and neck guard directly affixed to the skull. There is no protection for the hinges and apparently some didn't even have any. Ear holes are always present. The construction goes from fair to wretched quality. The tradition is not persian, I think.<br>
That is definitely not the same type for me.<br>
Besides, the majority of the pictures of Intercisa types I saw was not silver plated. Moreover the embossing on the Intercisa examples was very crude (stars, moon crescent and demonic eyes) compared to the very elaborate decoration found on some --but not all-- Berkasovos.<br>
Several Intercisa types found elsewhere, like at Augst, for instance were of plain iron and had no sign of ever having been plated.<br>
The fact that all the Intercisa helmets found at Intercisa were silver plated maybe has to do with the fact that the non silver plated ones rusted away..<br>
To state that all Intercisa types were silver plated is far fetched, I think.<br>
Not to mention the fact that in the Late Empire craftsmen called Barbaricani (if I remember well), were specialized in silver and gold plating of weapons. The Intercisa site may well have been one of their workshops which would explain the presence of several silver plated examples. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub45.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antoninuslucretius@romanarmytalk>Antoninus Lucretius</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://localhost:1094/Homesteads/_1750094854/files/Cesar_triste.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 12/17/03 6:05 pm<br></i>
Just to add to the confusion.. Scroll down to the greenish and yellowish pictures. The helmet on the right.<br>
Do I see separate roundels on the temples there?<br>
This one is supposedly etruscan, Vth C.B.C.<br>
I always thought the circles represented in painting and sculpture were meant to be temporal volutes integral with the skull as in the Attic style..<br>
That is a type I did not know, which goes to show that unknown types do exist...<br>
The number of segments is not the issue on the Intercisa/Berkasovo. Berkasovo types have been found with two segments (Budapest) and up to six (Deurne).<br>
-In the Berkasovo the skull is riveted to a rather high crown to which are fixed the nasal, cheek plates and neck guard. Sometimes there is an ear hole and sometimes not. The cheekguard hinges are protected by plates.<br>
The construction is of very good quality.<br>
The Eastern/Persian tradition is evident.<br>
-The Intercisa type is always made in two halves, with no high crown, no nasal and cheek guards and neck guard directly affixed to the skull. There is no protection for the hinges and apparently some didn't even have any. Ear holes are always present. The construction goes from fair to wretched quality. The tradition is not persian, I think.<br>
That is definitely not the same type for me.<br>
Besides, the majority of the pictures of Intercisa types I saw was not silver plated. Moreover the embossing on the Intercisa examples was very crude (stars, moon crescent and demonic eyes) compared to the very elaborate decoration found on some --but not all-- Berkasovos.<br>
Several Intercisa types found elsewhere, like at Augst, for instance were of plain iron and had no sign of ever having been plated.<br>
The fact that all the Intercisa helmets found at Intercisa were silver plated maybe has to do with the fact that the non silver plated ones rusted away..<br>
To state that all Intercisa types were silver plated is far fetched, I think.<br>
Not to mention the fact that in the Late Empire craftsmen called Barbaricani (if I remember well), were specialized in silver and gold plating of weapons. The Intercisa site may well have been one of their workshops which would explain the presence of several silver plated examples. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub45.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antoninuslucretius@romanarmytalk>Antoninus Lucretius</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://localhost:1094/Homesteads/_1750094854/files/Cesar_triste.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 12/17/03 6:05 pm<br></i>
