01-03-2005, 11:51 AM
Ave Flavius Crispus,<br>
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You wrote<br>
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Quote:</em></strong><hr>The earlier thread on this subject, linked by pelgr003, is missing some critical image links (they have probably gone dormant or no longer exit), particularly of the Mikkalus relief. Any chance of getting these reposted?<hr><br>
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I think it were pictures in my comment You are referring to and so I reposted them in the earlier thread. For better comparison with the new pictures in this thread I posted them here too:<br>
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<img src="http://people.freenet.de/u-bahr/Armsalut.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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Armenian infantry in Byzantine employ on an ivory casket from the 10th Century.<br>
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<img src="http://people.freenet.de/u-bahr/legsalut.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
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Figurine from the museum in Strasbourg<br>
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IMHO both pictures together with<br>
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- the Domitius Ahenobarbus relief<br>
- the grave monument of T. Flavius Mikkalus<br>
- the 10th-century ivory casket with Byzantine infantry<br>
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show lower ranks saluting to superior officers and I would even go so far to assume that this kind of Roman salute is the predecessor of our modern military salute. And this even seems to be confirmed by the representation at the 'Gemma Tiberiana', so we have 5 examples now of soldiers saluting to higher rankers.<br>
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Perhaps the adlocutio-like salute carried out with straight arm is the equivalent used by higher officers (or emperors) to the ranks.<br>
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It is only my opinion and I can't prove it by any literal sources.<br>
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Greets - Uwe <p></p><i></i>
<br>
You wrote<br>
<br>
Quote:</em></strong><hr>The earlier thread on this subject, linked by pelgr003, is missing some critical image links (they have probably gone dormant or no longer exit), particularly of the Mikkalus relief. Any chance of getting these reposted?<hr><br>
<br>
I think it were pictures in my comment You are referring to and so I reposted them in the earlier thread. For better comparison with the new pictures in this thread I posted them here too:<br>
<br>
<img src="http://people.freenet.de/u-bahr/Armsalut.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
<br>
Armenian infantry in Byzantine employ on an ivory casket from the 10th Century.<br>
<br>
<img src="http://people.freenet.de/u-bahr/legsalut.jpg" style="border:0;"/><br>
<br>
Figurine from the museum in Strasbourg<br>
<br>
IMHO both pictures together with<br>
<br>
- the Domitius Ahenobarbus relief<br>
- the grave monument of T. Flavius Mikkalus<br>
- the 10th-century ivory casket with Byzantine infantry<br>
<br>
show lower ranks saluting to superior officers and I would even go so far to assume that this kind of Roman salute is the predecessor of our modern military salute. And this even seems to be confirmed by the representation at the 'Gemma Tiberiana', so we have 5 examples now of soldiers saluting to higher rankers.<br>
<br>
Perhaps the adlocutio-like salute carried out with straight arm is the equivalent used by higher officers (or emperors) to the ranks.<br>
<br>
It is only my opinion and I can't prove it by any literal sources.<br>
<br>
Greets - Uwe <p></p><i></i>
Greets - Uwe
