07-17-2008, 10:37 AM
Hi All,
This is my first post on this forum so please forgive me in advance the following causes offence, it is not my intention.
First let me see that I have long admired Ulfhednar and their commitment to their chosen period of Living History. I have also shared mead with them and can honestly say that during conversation with them no right wing or neo-nazi sympathies where uttered.
Now I am not too familiar with the re-enactment scene in Germany, so please feel free to correct me if I myself make assumptions.
Looking at other sources and forums on the Internet it seems to me that there a number of issues and vested interests being played out in that scene at that moment, which unfortunately Ulfhednar have become the center of attention.
The main issue appears to be concerns, even conspiracy theories :roll: , of radical right wing ideology into the re-enactment scene, heathen/pagan scene, pagan metal music scene, medieval markets/fairs and even the poor old Goth Scene in Germany.
To an outsider this appears quite ludicrous, but yet no doubt given a wider enough brush we can catch everyone and paint them all with the same tar and make the evidence fit the charge.
Hel, look close enough at the vagaries of social networking sites, the supposed conduit of this supposed neo - nazi conspiracy, then it is probable that all those with a myspace, facebook, bebo site etc can be linked by to a neo-nazi by the three people removed theory. Even you reading this
hock:
While we continue to be aware of the sensitivities surrounding its use in recent memory, the danger of the symbol of the swastika likes not in its representation in a re-enactment sense or even a pagan sense, but in heeding those who call for it's continued censorship. To do so creates a vacuum of ignorance and misinformation, these all to readily exploited by the radical Right and Left for their own particular agendas.
Of course never forget the atrocities perpetrated by the Nazi Regime, or come to that the Stalinist State, but is it not time the Germans stop flagellating themselves for the sins of the Grandfathers. Yes it is an uncomfortable question!
There is good sound evidence for the swastika used in decorative elements of textiles in the broader Germanic world, certainly in 6th/7th century Scandinavia).
Ulfhednar use the swastika, have members who are in a pagan metal band, some use camouflaged 'day wear',( so do some anglers, mmm neo nazi fisherman
) some are pagan...,so the assumption made is they must be neo-nazi.
I say shame on those who are continue to pursue Ulfhednar and are willing to make them the sacrificial lamb on the alter of political correctness.
best
Dave
This is my first post on this forum so please forgive me in advance the following causes offence, it is not my intention.
First let me see that I have long admired Ulfhednar and their commitment to their chosen period of Living History. I have also shared mead with them and can honestly say that during conversation with them no right wing or neo-nazi sympathies where uttered.
Now I am not too familiar with the re-enactment scene in Germany, so please feel free to correct me if I myself make assumptions.
Looking at other sources and forums on the Internet it seems to me that there a number of issues and vested interests being played out in that scene at that moment, which unfortunately Ulfhednar have become the center of attention.
The main issue appears to be concerns, even conspiracy theories :roll: , of radical right wing ideology into the re-enactment scene, heathen/pagan scene, pagan metal music scene, medieval markets/fairs and even the poor old Goth Scene in Germany.
To an outsider this appears quite ludicrous, but yet no doubt given a wider enough brush we can catch everyone and paint them all with the same tar and make the evidence fit the charge.
Hel, look close enough at the vagaries of social networking sites, the supposed conduit of this supposed neo - nazi conspiracy, then it is probable that all those with a myspace, facebook, bebo site etc can be linked by to a neo-nazi by the three people removed theory. Even you reading this
hock: While we continue to be aware of the sensitivities surrounding its use in recent memory, the danger of the symbol of the swastika likes not in its representation in a re-enactment sense or even a pagan sense, but in heeding those who call for it's continued censorship. To do so creates a vacuum of ignorance and misinformation, these all to readily exploited by the radical Right and Left for their own particular agendas.
Of course never forget the atrocities perpetrated by the Nazi Regime, or come to that the Stalinist State, but is it not time the Germans stop flagellating themselves for the sins of the Grandfathers. Yes it is an uncomfortable question!
There is good sound evidence for the swastika used in decorative elements of textiles in the broader Germanic world, certainly in 6th/7th century Scandinavia).
Ulfhednar use the swastika, have members who are in a pagan metal band, some use camouflaged 'day wear',( so do some anglers, mmm neo nazi fisherman
) some are pagan...,so the assumption made is they must be neo-nazi. I say shame on those who are continue to pursue Ulfhednar and are willing to make them the sacrificial lamb on the alter of political correctness.
best
Dave
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