07-20-2008, 09:58 AM
Hello Paul,
sure you are right that the use of other languages is tricky. The mentioned arrogance is not towards the public. As I told in the thread about the Aachen Declaration, I had watched the Ulfh. at the Ellwangen Museum and found them really good, including the public adress. The arrogance is not my own experience, but of their neighbour group, with whom they obviously didn't want to speak. But sure it is always two sides. Another thing I will not spread in the public, I send you a PM. I didn't talk to Arian himself, but I shared a campfire with two prospects who were more in "boah, fighting, Wollin, hard stuff, ey" than in archeology and I know an ex-Ulfhednar. However, their public work is fine!
Here comes the "intime/outtime": like in roleplaying, it seems to me that part of the communication should take place as a "normal" person, "outtime", i.e. "leaving your character and return to the 21st century". Some problems may be caused by a "warrior" attitude even in modern talk. I watch it at myself, that the years of being chieftain of my folks have a certain effect on my character. Has got nothing to do with history, but one grows with the responsibility. I imagine, that for a merovingian warrior haughtiness is no flaw, but a virtue, and that can make it difficult to be diplomatic and say sorry for the swastika or whatever. Could I explain my "intime/outtime"?
The damage done to "us". Oops, I meant the "we" / "us" more general to the whole lot of German living history groups, including the Ulfhednar, too. It is just, that many museum bosses talk about IF they can still engage reenactors at all, because of the Nazi trouble. Therein is a certain danger that museal living history may become outfashioned, but the imo greater danger that it gets in the hands of some selfmade "chosen ones" and that bureaucracy thing I mentioned in the other thread. Damage, hmm. It is somewhat caused by that tattoo story, but also done by the following debate. Not the serious part, but the "hickhack" part.
Hickhack. How to translate that? My dictionary says "argy-bargy" or "squabbling". I hope that meets the point. When the discussion leaves the subject and ony goes "but you said that, I said that, last year you said that, ... there has a green bottle fallen from the wall" and you think, next they start throwing sand at each other and run back to Mom.
I do not have 4 times as many contacts, but, by the same amount of events, four times as much communication with the organizers. But right, that is a positive effect, because I always suffer, when I feel that I am not seen. :wink:
That alamannic group, displaying the swastika. I thave two in my mind, one is just one man, the other one is a big group, displaying a swastika on a shield inspired by the same phalera as the Ulfhednars' inspiration. Ah, dsiplaying it in the newest exhibition. Funny, isn't it. When one of my own men came to the battlefield with swastikas on his shield, I also said " come on, you can't do that" but I left it to the battle-organizer to forbid him that shield. You see, I am not too itchy about that symbol in early historical context, but - in my country- it should be better treated with care.
So far,
cheers,
Stefan
sure you are right that the use of other languages is tricky. The mentioned arrogance is not towards the public. As I told in the thread about the Aachen Declaration, I had watched the Ulfh. at the Ellwangen Museum and found them really good, including the public adress. The arrogance is not my own experience, but of their neighbour group, with whom they obviously didn't want to speak. But sure it is always two sides. Another thing I will not spread in the public, I send you a PM. I didn't talk to Arian himself, but I shared a campfire with two prospects who were more in "boah, fighting, Wollin, hard stuff, ey" than in archeology and I know an ex-Ulfhednar. However, their public work is fine!
Here comes the "intime/outtime": like in roleplaying, it seems to me that part of the communication should take place as a "normal" person, "outtime", i.e. "leaving your character and return to the 21st century". Some problems may be caused by a "warrior" attitude even in modern talk. I watch it at myself, that the years of being chieftain of my folks have a certain effect on my character. Has got nothing to do with history, but one grows with the responsibility. I imagine, that for a merovingian warrior haughtiness is no flaw, but a virtue, and that can make it difficult to be diplomatic and say sorry for the swastika or whatever. Could I explain my "intime/outtime"?
The damage done to "us". Oops, I meant the "we" / "us" more general to the whole lot of German living history groups, including the Ulfhednar, too. It is just, that many museum bosses talk about IF they can still engage reenactors at all, because of the Nazi trouble. Therein is a certain danger that museal living history may become outfashioned, but the imo greater danger that it gets in the hands of some selfmade "chosen ones" and that bureaucracy thing I mentioned in the other thread. Damage, hmm. It is somewhat caused by that tattoo story, but also done by the following debate. Not the serious part, but the "hickhack" part.
Hickhack. How to translate that? My dictionary says "argy-bargy" or "squabbling". I hope that meets the point. When the discussion leaves the subject and ony goes "but you said that, I said that, last year you said that, ... there has a green bottle fallen from the wall" and you think, next they start throwing sand at each other and run back to Mom.
I do not have 4 times as many contacts, but, by the same amount of events, four times as much communication with the organizers. But right, that is a positive effect, because I always suffer, when I feel that I am not seen. :wink:
That alamannic group, displaying the swastika. I thave two in my mind, one is just one man, the other one is a big group, displaying a swastika on a shield inspired by the same phalera as the Ulfhednars' inspiration. Ah, dsiplaying it in the newest exhibition. Funny, isn't it. When one of my own men came to the battlefield with swastikas on his shield, I also said " come on, you can't do that" but I left it to the battle-organizer to forbid him that shield. You see, I am not too itchy about that symbol in early historical context, but - in my country- it should be better treated with care.
So far,
cheers,
Stefan
Ulfwin, the Hunno
(Stefan Deuble)
(Stefan Deuble)
