09-16-2008, 06:28 PM
At least part of the story is Medieval fabrication, the problem is finding out how much. Clear examples are the names of the 'sons' of Cunedda who just so happened to lend their name to the cantrefs of Gwynedd.
Also the son of the eldest son (who remained up North) arriving later and leaving his name for a lesser cantref.
Also fishy is the claim that Cunedda drove out the Irish for ever, which was a clearly wrong statement because the irish were driven out later (again).
Part of the story may be pushed by the spin doctors of the Second dynasty of Gwynedd (the family of Merfyn Frych and specifically Owain ap Hywel Dda who cast the Harleian pedigrees in the tenth century) , who also arrived from abroad, and may have tried to hide that fact by embellishing the 'other' foreign dynasty before them. Cunedda supposedly came from Manau Gododdin, the Second dynasty came from another Manau (Isle of Man).
Also the son of the eldest son (who remained up North) arriving later and leaving his name for a lesser cantref.
Also fishy is the claim that Cunedda drove out the Irish for ever, which was a clearly wrong statement because the irish were driven out later (again).
Part of the story may be pushed by the spin doctors of the Second dynasty of Gwynedd (the family of Merfyn Frych and specifically Owain ap Hywel Dda who cast the Harleian pedigrees in the tenth century) , who also arrived from abroad, and may have tried to hide that fact by embellishing the 'other' foreign dynasty before them. Cunedda supposedly came from Manau Gododdin, the Second dynasty came from another Manau (Isle of Man).
Robert Vermaat
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FECTIO Late Romans
THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST
(Maurikios-Strategikon, book VIII.2: Maxim 12)
MODERATOR
FECTIO Late Romans
THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST
(Maurikios-Strategikon, book VIII.2: Maxim 12)
