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Osprey Gladiators - Wisdom/McBride
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The provenance of ancient finds, unless they are discovered and published by real archaeologists, is always doubtful. Prior to the 20th century most archaeology was just treasure-hunting and if you dug something up on someone's property, it was only prudent to claim you found it somewhere else. In some countries anything discovered beneath the ground, from buried treasure to metal ore, automatically belongs to the state or the crown. Add to that the fact that plenty of unauthorized excavation goes on right now and that, in Italy, it's not too well policed, and it's pretty much a crapshoot trying to figure out where a particular item came from.<br>
Pompeii was buried under ash and anyone with a shovel could dig there before it was closed off, but Herculaneum filled up with mud, which is much harder to dig. Plus, there's a modern city on top of it, so it's been far easier to control who gets into Herculaneum. I don't know of any evidence that there was a ludus there, but for that matter the "barracks" in Pompeii may not have been a ludus, either. Of course, there was nothing to prevent fight fans from collecting armor (Petronius even mentions a slave who has bought himself a full Thracian rig.) And free gladiators could have lived there and kept their armor at home, so gladiatorial finds are not out of the question. It was in Campania, after all, and Campania was to gladiators what Estramadura is to bullfighting. <p></p><i></i>
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Osprey Gladiators - Wisdom/McBride - by richard - 12-01-2001, 04:19 AM
Re: Osprey Gladiators - by Anonymous - 08-22-2002, 11:22 AM
Re: Osprey Gladiators - by Anonymous - 08-22-2002, 01:24 PM
Re: Angus McBride - by Anonymous - 08-22-2002, 01:29 PM
Re: Angus McBride - by richard - 08-22-2002, 10:53 PM
Errata - here you go - by Anonymous - 08-23-2002, 08:21 AM
Re: Errata - here you go - by richard - 08-23-2002, 09:49 AM
Re: Errata - here you go - by Gashford - 08-23-2002, 10:09 AM
Re: Errata - here you go - by Anonymous - 08-23-2002, 12:29 PM
Re: Errata - here you go - by Anonymous - 08-23-2002, 02:01 PM
morituri te salutant - by Anonymous - 08-23-2002, 02:09 PM
morituri te salutant - by Anonymous - 08-23-2002, 02:15 PM
rephrase - by Anonymous - 08-23-2002, 02:26 PM
Re: rephrase - by Gashford - 08-23-2002, 02:36 PM
Osprey gladiators - by John Maddox Roberts - 08-23-2002, 05:16 PM
Re: Osprey gladiators - by Gashford - 08-23-2002, 05:35 PM
Re: Osprey gladiators - by Anonymous - 08-24-2002, 10:51 AM
Re: Osprey gladiators - by Anonymous - 08-24-2002, 01:50 PM
Re: Osprey gladiators - New Edition - by Anonymous - 08-24-2002, 11:08 PM
Revised Osprey Gladiator - by Anonymous - 08-25-2002, 03:40 PM
Re: Revised Osprey Gladiator - by richard - 08-25-2002, 05:15 PM
Re: Osprey Gladiators - Wisdom/McBride - by Anonymous - 08-25-2002, 07:20 PM
Re: Revised Osprey Gladiator - by Anonymous - 08-26-2002, 09:18 AM
Re: Osprey gladiator - by Anonymous - 08-27-2002, 09:40 AM
Osprey Gladiators - by Muzzaguchi - 08-30-2002, 12:51 AM
Bad Osprey! - by Anonymous - 09-15-2002, 01:11 PM
Re: Angus McBride - by Robert Vermaat - 09-17-2002, 11:01 AM
Re: Angus McBride - by Anonymous - 10-14-2002, 12:26 PM
manicae - by John Maddox Roberts - 10-14-2002, 02:52 PM
Re: manicae - by mcbishop - 10-14-2002, 04:23 PM
Re: manicae - by Anonymous - 10-15-2002, 12:12 PM
zliten mosaic - by John Maddox Roberts - 10-15-2002, 11:27 PM
Re: zliten mosaic - by Anonymous - 10-17-2002, 07:39 AM
Zliten and arm guards - by Anonymous - 11-01-2002, 04:59 PM
Zliten provocatores - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-02-2002, 04:10 PM
Re: Zliten provocatores - by Anonymous - 11-04-2002, 12:46 PM
Re: Zliten provocatores - by Anonymous - 11-04-2002, 03:28 PM
Re: Zliten provocatores - by Anonymous - 11-04-2002, 05:20 PM
zliten provocatores and hoplo shield - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-04-2002, 06:16 PM
Hoplo salad bowls - by Anonymous - 11-05-2002, 05:56 PM
Re: Provocator Helmet - by Anonymous - 11-06-2002, 02:15 PM
provocator crests - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-06-2002, 02:43 PM
correction - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-06-2002, 03:58 PM
Re: Sica - by Anonymous - 11-06-2002, 04:12 PM
sica - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-06-2002, 06:24 PM
Sica - by Anonymous - 11-07-2002, 09:42 AM
Re: Sica - by Anonymous - 11-07-2002, 05:29 PM
weird sica - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-07-2002, 08:32 PM
curved sicae - by Anonymous - 11-08-2002, 11:59 AM
Re: curved sicae - by Anonymous - 11-08-2002, 12:34 PM
That helmet - by Anonymous - 11-08-2002, 01:53 PM
sica and helmet - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-08-2002, 06:07 PM
helmets thread and translation - by Anonymous - 11-10-2002, 01:19 PM
provenance - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-10-2002, 08:42 PM
Re: provenance - by Gashford - 11-11-2002, 10:10 AM
thracian - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-11-2002, 04:41 PM
Re: blood - by Anonymous - 11-13-2002, 02:02 PM
Zliten secutor - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-14-2002, 03:26 PM
Re: Zliten secutor - by Gashford - 11-14-2002, 04:00 PM
Re: Sica - by Anonymous - 11-15-2002, 05:39 PM
sica - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-16-2002, 02:26 AM
Epee - by Gashford - 11-16-2002, 02:33 PM
enigmatic sica - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-16-2002, 03:37 PM
British Museum - by Gashford - 11-16-2002, 05:41 PM
Re: British Museum - by Anonymous - 11-18-2002, 01:24 PM
odd sword - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-18-2002, 02:24 PM
Re: odd sword - by Anonymous - 11-19-2002, 02:03 PM
pointless swords - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-19-2002, 06:30 PM
addition - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-19-2002, 06:34 PM
various - by Anonymous - 11-20-2002, 10:33 AM
Sword not from Pompeii - by Anonymous - 11-21-2002, 10:46 AM
Re: Sword not from Pompeii - by Gashford - 11-22-2002, 12:22 PM
The sword in the OSPREY BOOK - by Anonymous - 11-22-2002, 01:40 PM
kebab skewer - by John Maddox Roberts - 11-22-2002, 03:06 PM
the sword in the OSPREY BOOK in the Augst Museum - by Anonymous - 11-22-2002, 03:33 PM
Re: the sword in the OSPREY BOOK in the Augst Museum - by Anonymous - 11-25-2002, 01:57 PM
Re: the sword in the OSPREY BOOK in the Augst Museum - by Anonymous - 11-25-2002, 02:12 PM
Gladiator forum - by Gashford - 12-05-2002, 07:49 PM
Re: Gladiator forum - by Jasper Oorthuys - 12-05-2002, 07:55 PM
Re: Gladiator forum - by Gashford - 12-21-2002, 12:41 AM

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