11-12-2009, 04:42 AM
Paralus wrote:
The mood of the times is caught by Thucydides....
( which might conceivably apply to the perioikoi until after Leuktra, though I believe their loyalty was genuine enough.)
P.S. Nice to see good old Snagglepuss again, and as a Who fan from way back, enjoyed the clips, and appreciated the connection to the question at hand, so not entirely off-topic...
D lol:
Quote:The discontent with Sparta amongst allies such as Thebes and Corinth is marked....."Allies" ?????? Surely the use of that word requires some elaboration/qualification ! Say rather 'bitter and jealous rivals', who sided with Sparta temporarily for self-serving reasons, such as 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. There is a clear differentiation between 'allies' such as the Perioikoi, and makeshift/temporary expediency between the larger Poleis in 'alliance', with all sides cynically knowing the score.
The mood of the times is caught by Thucydides....
Quote: the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must. ...
( which might conceivably apply to the perioikoi until after Leuktra, though I believe their loyalty was genuine enough.)
P.S. Nice to see good old Snagglepuss again, and as a Who fan from way back, enjoyed the clips, and appreciated the connection to the question at hand, so not entirely off-topic...
D lol:
"dulce et decorum est pro patria mori " - Horace
(It is a sweet and proper thing to die for ones country)
"No son-of-a-bitch ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country" - George C Scott as General George S. Patton
Paul McDonnell-Staff
(It is a sweet and proper thing to die for ones country)
"No son-of-a-bitch ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country" - George C Scott as General George S. Patton
Paul McDonnell-Staff
