Who were the Pannonians?

[Arminius75]

The Pannonians were all Illyrians but is important to note this: Since IVb.C. Celtic influence were strong on central and eastern Europe fron Western Europe, but many times as an cultural fenomena rather as invaders, Celtic peoples were an western Europe peoples rise from the mixture of different cultural elements form Bronze age as Atlantic cultures with many mediterranean influence and some central (just a few) and a little of nordic influence with a rivers basin system of comunication (Rhone specially), Pannonians were an Illyrian fenomena, we dont know wich name use the peole of Unetice, Lausitz or Hallstatt for themselves but definitevly they're not Celtic, is more akin to Illyrians or Venetic than to the Celts, on roman times Celtic peoples were active moving to the East, the former province of Vindelicia, Noricum and Pannoniæ had an Illyrian population on many cases under celtic rule (as with the Noricii) but archaeolgy and historiography show an strong illyrian subtratum, Illyrian were an very complex fenomena, ther is not an homogeneus manifestation, J.J. Wilkes see an divicion between Illyrians and Venetics, for me are the same but with an substantial difference: southern and eastern Illyrians were under a strong oriental inffluence and their language seems to be "Satem" but there is a lot of "centum" evidence too, many scholars said: "is for the Celtic or lain inffluence" but there is a archaic form, Venetic was a"centum" language, but we have almost nothig of Illyrian language except a few words and a few name, insufficient informaton to "clasifficate" an language as "satem or centum" , another issue were Messapian, peuceti, Iapygans etc. for some are Illyrians for another are an independent or perhaps an Italic cultural manifestation but evidence are still there...well perhaps i'm an archaeologist with a very unpopular point of view :wink: :wink: