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Mykale, a naval battle?
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Quote:Fighting Skythians? Maybe I am thinking of another painted beam. Has the one you are referring to just been moved back to Istanbul?

I'm not sure where they are now - they very well may have been repatriated, but last I heard they were still in the Munich Staatssammlung. There are four separate sections, cut down from two original beams. One beam shows a funerary
procession, with (from left to right) men on foot leading horses, a chariot, three spearmen, four cavalrymen, a man and a horse carrying some sort of pack on its back, a covered carriage followed by three mourning women, and three more cavalrymen. The other shows (again from left to right) two large archers in Persian costume, three horse archers followed by four more horse archers, a chariot, a large man in Persian costume stabbing a Saka to death while another dead enemy lies on the ground and another stands behind, a horse with its rider thrown to the ground, three Saka horse archers followed by two more, and finally two Saka archers on foot. The enemies are clearly identified as Sake Tigrakhauda based on their pointed caps and the long sagareis which three infantryman carry, and I have a hard time believing that this scene is intended to show a force primarily composed of Anatolians fighting in the far east of the empire.

Quote:I think I am over complicating things and generalising a bit too much. My problem with Greek depictions is that they usually show them ending at the ankle, but because of the lack of long tunics on some, they show them extending to the waist. Im probably being a bit dismissive of it all.

I definitely think that Greek artists distorted some things and got other just plain wrong, but all in all I think that the depictions of the 5th c. BC are fairly accurate.

Quote:The point I was making about weapons was the fact that an artist may have seen 'eastern' style weapons, so he could portray their appearance accurately, but not their usage.
Thanks for all of the comments, its topics like this that really help to focus my thoughts and sweep out some of the misunderstandings!

But, again, I think that with so many veterans of the Persian wars around in the 5th c. BC, there would have been a more than few people who could have told the artist how these arms were employed, if the artist himself did not already know from facing Persians on the battlefield.
Ruben

He had with him the selfsame rifle you see with him now, all mounted in german silver and the name that he\'d give it set with silver wire under the checkpiece in latin: Et In Arcadia Ego. Common enough for a man to name his gun. His is the first and only ever I seen with an inscription from the classics. - Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian
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Mykale, a naval battle? - by Dithyrambus - 07-05-2010, 06:38 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Jona Lendering - 07-05-2010, 07:17 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by hoplite14gr - 07-05-2010, 08:15 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Dithyrambus - 07-05-2010, 10:30 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Jona Lendering - 07-05-2010, 11:18 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Dithyrambus - 07-06-2010, 12:53 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Old Husker - 07-06-2010, 05:19 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by hoplite14gr - 07-06-2010, 06:45 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-06-2010, 07:28 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by hoplite14gr - 07-06-2010, 07:35 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-06-2010, 07:43 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Dithyrambus - 07-06-2010, 11:17 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-07-2010, 03:05 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Dithyrambus - 07-07-2010, 07:44 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-07-2010, 11:17 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by PMBardunias - 07-07-2010, 11:20 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-07-2010, 11:32 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Dithyrambus - 07-08-2010, 12:33 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Sean Manning - 07-08-2010, 01:56 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-08-2010, 05:23 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-08-2010, 05:55 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Sean Manning - 07-09-2010, 02:12 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Old Husker - 07-19-2010, 07:20 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by PMBardunias - 07-20-2010, 01:35 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Sean Manning - 07-20-2010, 02:44 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Paullus Scipio - 07-20-2010, 06:01 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-20-2010, 03:24 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Old Husker - 07-20-2010, 07:17 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-20-2010, 10:33 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Old Husker - 07-20-2010, 11:35 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by PMBardunias - 07-20-2010, 11:36 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Paullus Scipio - 07-21-2010, 12:14 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by PMBardunias - 07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Paullus Scipio - 07-21-2010, 01:14 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-21-2010, 01:59 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-21-2010, 09:01 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-21-2010, 04:48 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-21-2010, 10:59 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-21-2010, 11:34 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-26-2010, 04:10 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-26-2010, 06:30 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by PMBardunias - 07-26-2010, 08:37 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-26-2010, 09:02 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-26-2010, 09:42 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-26-2010, 10:57 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-26-2010, 11:35 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Sean Manning - 07-27-2010, 01:57 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by PMBardunias - 07-27-2010, 03:38 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-27-2010, 07:58 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-27-2010, 04:43 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Sean Manning - 07-28-2010, 04:39 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-28-2010, 02:23 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-28-2010, 03:13 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-28-2010, 04:59 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-28-2010, 10:36 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by PMBardunias - 07-29-2010, 10:50 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-29-2010, 04:45 PM

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