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Sacred Band of Thebes
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Quote:Plut Cleom. 3.1
But at the death of Leonidas Cleomenes came to the throne, and saw that the citizens were by that time altogether degenerate. The rich neglected the common interests for their own private pleasure and aggrandizement; the common people, because of their wretched state at home, had lost all readiness for war and all ambition to maintain the ancient Spartan discipline;

Plut. Agis 5.1-4

And here I may say that the Lacedaemonian state began to suffer distemper and corruption soon after its subversion of the Athenian supremacy filled it with gold and silver [...]. For the men of power and influence at once began to acquire estates without scruple, ejecting the rightful heirs from their inheritances; and speedily the wealth of the state streamed into the hands of a few men [...] Thus there were left of the old Spartan families not more than seven hundred, and of these there were perhaps a hundred who possessed land and allotment; while the ordinary throng, without resources and without civic rights, lived in enforced idleness, showing no zeal or energy in warding off foreign wars, but ever watching for some opportunity to subvert and change affairs at home.


The statement about the rivulets of silver tumbling into the Eurotas is almost assuredly true. The "subversion" had begun during the war and continued apace. The movement away from the "Lukourgan" provisions was well underway during the Peloponnesian War. The result only gave it impetus.


Indeed. Although I am not certain we can say the movement began during the Peloponnesian War itself - certainly afterwards as Sparta proved how unfit she was to hold her imperial gains together. Plutarch's observations of course have sharper focus in the later period he discusses - Agis IV and Kleomenes III - which is several generations and nearly 200 years later. By this time things had certainly come to a head. The rot had been underway for a long time by then with Spartan condottieres attempting to fill the city's coffers - usually leading mercenary or foreign forces.

The comparisons of perhaps three battles all fought at the same site are instructive here. At 1st Mantinea in 418BC we had a massed allied army with a considerable component of regular Spartiate warriors (with perhaps a few hypomeiones amongst the ranks?). Over fifty years later at 2nd Mantinea in 362BC we see much reduced Spartan figures; and even later at 3rd Mantinea in 207BC virtually a mercenary force with who knows how many actual Spartiates in the Spartan phalanx of the time?
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Sacred Band of Thebes - by Marcvs75 - 05-17-2008, 09:51 AM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 05-17-2008, 11:51 AM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by hoplite14gr - 05-17-2008, 02:00 PM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Paralus - 05-18-2008, 02:59 AM
Theban Sacred Band - by Paullus Scipio - 05-21-2008, 06:44 AM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by hoplite14gr - 05-21-2008, 06:28 PM
Theban Sacred Band - by Paullus Scipio - 05-21-2008, 11:14 PM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Miles - 06-21-2008, 01:11 PM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Mythos_Ruler - 06-22-2008, 06:59 PM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Marcvs75 - 06-23-2008, 10:19 AM
The Sacred Band - by Paullus Scipio - 06-23-2008, 10:45 AM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Paralus - 06-23-2008, 11:49 AM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 06-23-2008, 01:09 PM
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Re: The Sacred Band - by Mythos_Ruler - 06-23-2008, 04:40 PM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by hoplite14gr - 06-23-2008, 07:38 PM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 06-23-2008, 08:37 PM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Miles - 06-24-2008, 03:39 AM
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Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by ChopinsPride - 07-14-2008, 11:16 AM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Paralus - 07-14-2008, 12:07 PM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Marcvs75 - 07-14-2008, 06:18 PM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Charlie Hilbert - 07-21-2011, 09:33 PM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Ghostmojo - 07-26-2011, 04:49 PM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Paralus - 07-26-2011, 05:20 PM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Ghostmojo - 07-26-2011, 10:57 PM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by PMBardunias - 07-26-2011, 11:40 PM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Ghostmojo - 07-30-2011, 12:39 AM
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Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Paralus - 08-02-2011, 09:54 AM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Ghostmojo - 08-03-2011, 03:38 AM
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Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Ventus Draconis - 08-04-2011, 01:06 AM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by PMBardunias - 08-04-2011, 01:48 AM
Re: Sacred Band of Thebes - by Ghostmojo - 08-05-2011, 03:23 PM
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