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Late Roman Army during the 5th century
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Hi Adrian,
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Robert Vermaat post=316555 Wrote:
ValentinianVictrix post=316536 Wrote:To avoid these inconveniences, the young men enlist in the auxiliaries, where the service is less laborious and they have reason to expect more speedy recompenses.'
Another reason to distrust Vegetius - the 'auxxiliaries' were no longer in existance by the time he wrote (whether that was the later 4th or the later 5th c.). These differences between both services no longer applied in the Late Roman army.
I'm not sure I agree with you on this Robert. Auxilliaries are mentioned a number of times in Ammianus, both in the context of auxilia units and also as foreign mercenaries hired for the occasion i.e. the 'Sythian Auxilliaries' with Julian on his Sasanid campaign, the 'Taifali auxilliaries' who Constantius II approached for assistance against the 'Free Sarmatians' and the 'Limogantes', these are just a couple of examples. I am sure I have read in my collection that those who enrolled in the auxilia units were not expected to perform the non-combat roles that the Legiones were expected to perform i.e. building camps and roads. I believe Heather noted that an infantryman in an auxilia unit received higher pay than those in the Legiones, and there was no obligation for your son to serve in the auxilia when you retired.
I agree that the difference between the roles of the legiones and auxila units on the battlefield may have been almost the same by the Late Roman period, not withstanding Vegetius stating that they were best posted on the wings of the Legiones. Auxilia units also appear to have formed the reserve forces at Argentoratum and Adrianopolis.
You’re making two errors.
The first one is Ammianus, who is using a lot of archaizing words that tend to confuse (but see also what Renatus had to say about it). Julian is apparently not fighting the Persians but still the (vanished) Parthians. His troops use no spatha but seem to be equipped with the gladius. Of course neither is the case, but Ammianus’ use of ‘old’ words was apparently chosen to create a ‘learned’ image of an author who had read his ancient sources.
The second one is about the the auxilia in the post-Diocletianic army. Of course the Republican auxilia had lost a lot of their manpower when Caracalla made all free Romans into citizens. But after Diocletian (or probably Constantine at the latest), the old auxilia units no longer exist in that form. Cohorts that were once formed as auxilia were regular units in the Limitanei border troops, but every auxilia unit that we know from for instance the Notitia Dignitatum belongs to a force of newly raised regiments, all with elite status, belonging to the field army. The ‘auxilia’ is also not referring to the old cohorts and alae, but to the ‘auxilia palatina’, elite troops belonging to the personal forces of the Emperor. That’s why some did enjoy a higher status and pay than the regular infantry (including those of the field armies), a status opposite to the auxilia of the Principate, which was ranked lower than the legions.
Robert Vermaat
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Late Roman Army - by Tim Donovan - 07-18-2012, 05:20 PM
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Late Roman Army - by Renatus - 07-21-2012, 01:36 AM
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Re: Late Roman Army - by Robert Vermaat - 08-10-2012, 05:47 PM
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Re: Late Roman Army - by Flavivs Aetivs - 08-10-2012, 06:32 PM
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Re: Late Roman Army - by Robert Vermaat - 08-10-2012, 07:30 PM
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