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Collapse of society ?
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Quote:I thought it may be worth drawing attention to this paper suggesting a vestige of Roman "civilisation" or at least administration may have survived in the Midlands. It may have been allowed to survive on the basis of it's value as a lead production area where skills and local knowledge need to be maintained to maintain the tax base. it's tantalising to think maybe a christian enclave survived through the Dark Ages;
http://www.wirksworthromanproject.co.uk/Lutudarum.pdf

Interesting article, but weak on some details. Also, I'm unconvinced that a town with the name Lutudarum means one can speak of a 'civitas of the Lutuderenses', even though I like the arguments.
One more jigsaw piece in an argument against a total collapse of Roman-British society straight into a mudbrick medieval remnant. Looking at Gaul and comparing the survival of many villas into villages, as well as Gallo-Roman society into a new merovingian culture, I've always wondered why Britannia was supposedly wiped out by far less Anglo-saxon invaders. In my opinion, much more of British society assimilated with the new groups, rather than being eradicated. But it's a see-saw discussion, I know.

Noticed this error: "a further place name “Cumberhills” (Hills of the foreigners – if you were a Saxon, the foreigners would be the British of Lutudarum)". The author makes a mistake here I think: 'Cumber' stems from early Welsh Cymr (as in W. Cymru or E. Cumbria), not from a word meaning 'foreigner'. He is thinking of 'wealh' (Welsh) which indeed means 'those on the other side of the border' (popularly interpreted as 'foreigner').
Robert Vermaat
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Collapse of society ? - by Markus Montanvs - 03-23-2014, 05:22 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Lyceum - 03-23-2014, 10:42 AM
Collapse of society ? - by richard - 03-23-2014, 12:22 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Markus Montanvs - 03-23-2014, 03:57 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Renicus Ferrarius - 03-23-2014, 05:39 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 03-23-2014, 06:55 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Condottiero Magno - 03-23-2014, 07:02 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Renicus Ferrarius - 03-24-2014, 12:56 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Joe Balmos - 03-24-2014, 02:17 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Nathan Ross - 03-24-2014, 02:34 AM
Collapse of society ? - by richard - 03-24-2014, 10:06 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Robert Vermaat - 03-27-2014, 03:07 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Epictetus - 03-28-2014, 06:59 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Nathan Ross - 03-28-2014, 11:46 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Q Rutilius - 04-05-2014, 11:05 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Lyceum - 04-06-2014, 12:14 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Joe Balmos - 04-06-2014, 02:58 PM
Collapse of society ? - by aligern - 04-07-2014, 10:45 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Lyceum - 04-07-2014, 11:48 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Joe Balmos - 04-07-2014, 01:11 PM
Collapse of society ? - by aligern - 04-07-2014, 01:21 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Markus Montanvs - 04-07-2014, 01:36 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Joe Balmos - 04-07-2014, 01:39 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Joe Balmos - 04-07-2014, 04:06 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Alanus - 04-07-2014, 09:05 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Dan Howard - 04-07-2014, 09:32 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Joe Balmos - 04-08-2014, 01:59 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Titvs Statilivs Castvs - 04-08-2014, 06:37 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Dan Howard - 04-08-2014, 07:55 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Alanus - 04-08-2014, 11:04 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Dan Howard - 04-09-2014, 11:42 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Caballo - 04-09-2014, 12:05 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Dan D'Silva - 04-09-2014, 12:24 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Alanus - 04-09-2014, 02:27 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Todd Feinman - 04-09-2014, 03:58 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Alanus - 04-09-2014, 09:41 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Todd Feinman - 04-09-2014, 09:55 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Robert Vermaat - 04-10-2014, 12:39 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Caballo - 04-10-2014, 01:17 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Nathan Ross - 04-10-2014, 01:27 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 04-10-2014, 02:07 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Caballo - 04-10-2014, 03:04 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 04-10-2014, 03:11 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Lyceum - 04-10-2014, 03:48 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Dan D'Silva - 04-10-2014, 04:55 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Dan D'Silva - 04-10-2014, 04:58 PM
Collapse of society ? - by aligern - 04-10-2014, 05:18 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Todd Feinman - 04-10-2014, 09:32 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Robert Vermaat - 04-13-2014, 02:38 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Dan Howard - 04-13-2014, 09:52 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 04-13-2014, 11:44 PM
Collapse of society ? - by aligern - 04-14-2014, 08:02 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Robert Vermaat - 04-14-2014, 08:05 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Dan Howard - 04-14-2014, 08:13 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Robert Vermaat - 04-14-2014, 08:28 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Tim - 04-14-2014, 03:09 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Walhaz - 06-04-2014, 04:40 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Alanus - 06-04-2014, 09:33 PM
Collapse of society ? - by John1 - 06-11-2014, 12:48 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Tim - 06-11-2014, 04:20 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Dan D'Silva - 06-11-2014, 09:55 PM
Collapse of society ? - by Nathan Ross - 06-12-2014, 10:02 AM
Collapse of society ? - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2014, 11:21 AM

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