07-04-2014, 02:23 PM
Nathan,
Brilliant - thank you. I would love to look at an image of the inscription - unfortunately (whilst registered and can search) I don't seem to be able to make the Search on the CIL/Arachne site work for me.
I am happy to believe that a unit may have made additional ones (perhaps even over establishment) and III Augusta now has 34 some 500 years after the construct started for some reason.
Moi,
A 'runner' can deliver a decent message, whereas a trumpt is very limited - probably limited to a very few 'messages'.
All,
I have no converns with Vegetius' descriptions, nor the Byzantine which I do think are relevant. The signals they talk about (and very few of them) are, effectively, army-level signals.
And that's part of my point - the century/centurion doesn't need their own. I do hope I'm writing reasonable English (and will avoid emoticons if it's cosidered inappropriate on such a forum) - but it is kind of frustrating to be accused of things I haven't written.
Yes - there were signals and not many of them. The ones we see are 'global' signals - they don't require a cornu per century/maniple.
I am ex-military - and the best example I can give is the complex world of urban fighting (without radios!). I've trained as a platoon commander in the dispersed environment of the 'village'. You cannot see each other. I would argue that a 'modern' battlefield (in fact all the way back to serious musket use) is a far noisier place that the ancient battlefield. Having 'grenades' (thunder-flashes) go off in rooms also does nothing for your hearing.
Voice - shouting - and a runner.
I've also taught drill - normally I've been many yards away from the 'platoon' and honestly don't believe there would be any real problem if I was a single step behind them and they were in front of me.
Nathan's point is well made - and it's lovely to have such information (I just wish I could see it). My basis for the paucity of cornicen's is rooted in the basis for my organisational theory - which doesn't belong in this thread. So - a new one......which might also address Frank's Tribune detail.
Brilliant - thank you. I would love to look at an image of the inscription - unfortunately (whilst registered and can search) I don't seem to be able to make the Search on the CIL/Arachne site work for me.
I am happy to believe that a unit may have made additional ones (perhaps even over establishment) and III Augusta now has 34 some 500 years after the construct started for some reason.
Moi,
A 'runner' can deliver a decent message, whereas a trumpt is very limited - probably limited to a very few 'messages'.
All,
I have no converns with Vegetius' descriptions, nor the Byzantine which I do think are relevant. The signals they talk about (and very few of them) are, effectively, army-level signals.
And that's part of my point - the century/centurion doesn't need their own. I do hope I'm writing reasonable English (and will avoid emoticons if it's cosidered inappropriate on such a forum) - but it is kind of frustrating to be accused of things I haven't written.
Yes - there were signals and not many of them. The ones we see are 'global' signals - they don't require a cornu per century/maniple.
I am ex-military - and the best example I can give is the complex world of urban fighting (without radios!). I've trained as a platoon commander in the dispersed environment of the 'village'. You cannot see each other. I would argue that a 'modern' battlefield (in fact all the way back to serious musket use) is a far noisier place that the ancient battlefield. Having 'grenades' (thunder-flashes) go off in rooms also does nothing for your hearing.
Voice - shouting - and a runner.
I've also taught drill - normally I've been many yards away from the 'platoon' and honestly don't believe there would be any real problem if I was a single step behind them and they were in front of me.
Nathan's point is well made - and it's lovely to have such information (I just wish I could see it). My basis for the paucity of cornicen's is rooted in the basis for my organisational theory - which doesn't belong in this thread. So - a new one......which might also address Frank's Tribune detail.