05-19-2017, 11:27 PM
Crispvs... thank you for the input. Do you know of any pictures available for those two pugiones Hilts? I would be curious to see if the guard section was a piece on its own or if the entire hilt was one piece. Meaning the "face-side" of the hilt being one piece including the Pommel, grip and guard. Or if the guard portion was separate?
As far as the rat-tail tang... with the Traditional Pugio hilt... from the research I have gathered so far, I so not see any of the rat-tail tangs drilled through in order to hold hilt plates together. Am I missing something here?
And if the rat-tail tangs are indeed "broken" swords converted into a Pugio... would it not still factor into being historically accurate, yet not a manufactured blade? I believe that a Mainz blade would easily be convert d to a pugio blade if need be. (Some what confused)
As a master wood Carver... I have some chisels and gouges from the 1700's and 1800's that's steels cannot be beat... they don't make them like that anymore. I have at times broken one or purchased one broken that I put a new handle on. The only inaccuracy now is that an "1832 Barton" now has a 2015 handle on it to make it functionanble again. And in my hand can do wonders. Would it be wrong or inappropriate to do the same on a Rat-tail Pugio tang? I'm not being critical or analytical, but altogether respectful with this inquiry.
There is evidence of both types of metal tangs. The Pugio shape and the rat-tail shape... I would assume that they did not grind down the Pugio shape into the rat-tail because the Rat-tail has no rivet holes. So does our present artifacts still lack evidence for one way or the other? Or does what has surfaced at this point support both types of Hilts, the traditional pugio and a smaller sword hilt?
My other "confusion" (because I am still in the researching mode) is why did some pugiones have three rivets in the top of the Pommel? Did they actually connect to metal? Or... did the front nad back plates have an "L" shaped tab that the rivets passed through but only secured to organic material underneath?
Tony... I can't wait to see! I am currently so much closer to having shop set up to make Hilts! I need to add 14' - 20' onto the front of my shop and make it a two story!
As far as the rat-tail tang... with the Traditional Pugio hilt... from the research I have gathered so far, I so not see any of the rat-tail tangs drilled through in order to hold hilt plates together. Am I missing something here?
And if the rat-tail tangs are indeed "broken" swords converted into a Pugio... would it not still factor into being historically accurate, yet not a manufactured blade? I believe that a Mainz blade would easily be convert d to a pugio blade if need be. (Some what confused)
As a master wood Carver... I have some chisels and gouges from the 1700's and 1800's that's steels cannot be beat... they don't make them like that anymore. I have at times broken one or purchased one broken that I put a new handle on. The only inaccuracy now is that an "1832 Barton" now has a 2015 handle on it to make it functionanble again. And in my hand can do wonders. Would it be wrong or inappropriate to do the same on a Rat-tail Pugio tang? I'm not being critical or analytical, but altogether respectful with this inquiry.
There is evidence of both types of metal tangs. The Pugio shape and the rat-tail shape... I would assume that they did not grind down the Pugio shape into the rat-tail because the Rat-tail has no rivet holes. So does our present artifacts still lack evidence for one way or the other? Or does what has surfaced at this point support both types of Hilts, the traditional pugio and a smaller sword hilt?
My other "confusion" (because I am still in the researching mode) is why did some pugiones have three rivets in the top of the Pommel? Did they actually connect to metal? Or... did the front nad back plates have an "L" shaped tab that the rivets passed through but only secured to organic material underneath?
Tony... I can't wait to see! I am currently so much closer to having shop set up to make Hilts! I need to add 14' - 20' onto the front of my shop and make it a two story!
