03-30-2006, 04:14 PM
A beautiful tunica, too! Very familiar patterns... :wink:
I think it's third, because a comolitone (? She studies at the same university) of mine is expert for coptic textiles and their style. Her Name is Annette Paetz gen. Schieck, an she wrote some books about coptic textiles, a great source of examples and datings: "Aus Gräbern geborgen : koptische Textilien aus eigener Sammlung ; eine Ausstellung des Deutschen Textilmuseums Krefeld ; 25. Mai - 14. September 2003"
/ Annette Paetz Schieck. - Krefeld : Deutsches Textilmuseum, 2003 and "Die koptischen Textilien – Gewebe und Gewänder des ersten Jahrtausends aus Ägypten", Reihe »Kolumba« (Bd. 19), Köln 2005). It's great work, what she does, and her research bases on lots of fragments and whole tunicas.
The problem is, that the fragments we have today are brougt in the late 19th or early 20th century to europe or the USA, without looking at the context or writing down what else was in the grave. So it's not possible to date the fragments on other Things than the pattern, the technic or the material - and most collections don't have the money to date it with modern science.
The only complete grave - with the corps! - I know is in Bruxelles, and it's a womans grave, and her tunicas are only decorated with card-weaving bands. But the pillow under her feet has eight (? maybe ten) orbiculi on it... Unfortunately this grave is only publicated with ONE Black&white photography and I did not have the money and the time to go there. Maybe that someone of you knows more literature about this grave?
So Annette dated the find from palmyra to the beginning/middle of third because of the pattern and iconography, maybe by weaving technic. For exact reasins I will have to ask her again, but I trust her opinion.
Back to our tunica: On the tips of the clavi maebh used the same pattern as the original has, and the main pattern on the clavi are just geometric patterns, in the stile of the orbiculi. Well, in the fourth century the clavi are - if they are decorated - mostly broadly decorated all over their width, in a mirrored design, there are nearly no fragments that are unsymmetric. (But you have to make shure that it's no "Mänadentunika" - the tunics that reach to the floor and are decorated with clavi reaching to the floor, too and a picture of dancing Maenades on the breast). Mostly it's a floral or geometric pattern.
And in the end it's boring when all of you boys walk around with the same reconstruction, so why don't play around with the facts and creating something new?
I think it's third, because a comolitone (? She studies at the same university) of mine is expert for coptic textiles and their style. Her Name is Annette Paetz gen. Schieck, an she wrote some books about coptic textiles, a great source of examples and datings: "Aus Gräbern geborgen : koptische Textilien aus eigener Sammlung ; eine Ausstellung des Deutschen Textilmuseums Krefeld ; 25. Mai - 14. September 2003"
/ Annette Paetz Schieck. - Krefeld : Deutsches Textilmuseum, 2003 and "Die koptischen Textilien – Gewebe und Gewänder des ersten Jahrtausends aus Ägypten", Reihe »Kolumba« (Bd. 19), Köln 2005). It's great work, what she does, and her research bases on lots of fragments and whole tunicas.
The problem is, that the fragments we have today are brougt in the late 19th or early 20th century to europe or the USA, without looking at the context or writing down what else was in the grave. So it's not possible to date the fragments on other Things than the pattern, the technic or the material - and most collections don't have the money to date it with modern science.
The only complete grave - with the corps! - I know is in Bruxelles, and it's a womans grave, and her tunicas are only decorated with card-weaving bands. But the pillow under her feet has eight (? maybe ten) orbiculi on it... Unfortunately this grave is only publicated with ONE Black&white photography and I did not have the money and the time to go there. Maybe that someone of you knows more literature about this grave?
So Annette dated the find from palmyra to the beginning/middle of third because of the pattern and iconography, maybe by weaving technic. For exact reasins I will have to ask her again, but I trust her opinion.
Back to our tunica: On the tips of the clavi maebh used the same pattern as the original has, and the main pattern on the clavi are just geometric patterns, in the stile of the orbiculi. Well, in the fourth century the clavi are - if they are decorated - mostly broadly decorated all over their width, in a mirrored design, there are nearly no fragments that are unsymmetric. (But you have to make shure that it's no "Mänadentunika" - the tunics that reach to the floor and are decorated with clavi reaching to the floor, too and a picture of dancing Maenades on the breast). Mostly it's a floral or geometric pattern.
And in the end it's boring when all of you boys walk around with the same reconstruction, so why don't play around with the facts and creating something new?
BAR-BAR-A
Barbara Köstner
Barbara Köstner
