Jesus discussion

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Christianity, on the other hand, welcomed anyone, and everyone who converted was meant to be 'equal in Christ', regardless of class, rank, wealth or sex.

I noticed this quite a while back........
Two translations from a verse of The Gospel of Thomas...
(114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."
[url:nfcf6qpq]http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html[/url]
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(114) Simon Peter said to them: Let Mary go forth from among us, for women are not worthy of the life.
Jesus said: Behold, I shall lead her, that I may make her male, in order that she also may become a living spirit like you males. For every woman who makes herself male shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[url:nfcf6qpq]http://www.reluctant-messenger.com/gospel-thomas-Messrs-Brill_of_Leiden.htm[/url]
That does not sound very welcoming to me........ and sounds as though it is encouraging women to become a transexual :? roll:
It also reminds me very much of what a Greek philosopher, (can't remember who?) stated about feeling love for a female being a degrading base sort of love compared with love between males.....he was talking about a 'higher' spiritual and mental love apart from anything else... :oops:
It is Plato's Symposium......
And am I not right in asserting that there are two goddesses? The elder one, having no mother, who is called the heavenly Aphrodite-she is the daughter of Uranus; the younger, who is the daughter of Zeus and Dione-her we call common; and the Love who is her fellow-worker is rightly named common, as the other love is called heavenly. All the gods ought to have praise given to them, but not without distinction of their natures; and therefore I must try to distinguish the characters of the two Loves. Now actions vary according to the manner of their performance. Take, for example, that which we are now doing, drinking, singing and talking these actions are not in themselves either good or evil, but they turn out in this or that way according to the mode of performing them; and when well done they are good, and when wrongly done they are evil; and in like manner not every love, but only that which has a noble purpose, is noble and worthy of praise. The Love who is the offspring of the common Aphrodite is essentially common, and has no discrimination, being such as the meaner sort of men feel, and is apt to be of women as well as of youths, and is of the body rather than of the soul-the most foolish beings are the objects of this love which desires only to gain an end, but never thinks of accomplishing the end nobly, and therefore does good and evil quite indiscriminately. The goddess who is his mother is far younger than the other, and she was born of the union of the male and female, and partakes of both.

But the offspring of the heavenly Aphrodite is derived from a mother in whose birth the female has no part,-she is from the male only; this is that love which is of youths, and the goddess being older, there is nothing of wantonness in her. Those who are inspired by this love turn to the male, and delight in him who is the more valiant and intelligent nature; any one may recognise the pure enthusiasts in the very character of their attachments. For they love not boys, but intelligent, beings whose reason is beginning to be developed, much about the time at which their beards begin to grow. And in choosing young men to be their companions, they mean to be faithful to them, and pass their whole life in company with them, not to take them in their inexperience, and deceive them, and play the fool with them, or run away from one to another of them. But the love of young boys should be forbidden by law, because their future is uncertain; they may turn out good or bad, either in body or soul, and much noble enthusiasm may be thrown away upon them; in this matter the good are a law to themselves, and the coarser sort of lovers ought to be restrained by force; as we restrain or attempt to restrain them from fixing their affections on women of free birth. These are the persons who bring a reproach on love; and some have been led to deny the lawfulness of such attachments because they see the impropriety and evil of them; for surely nothing that is decorously and lawfully done can justly be censured.
From:Internet Classics Archive

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Arthes

Arthes I think Paul himself would called that Gospel an Anathema.

there are some books out of canon that are good & arent Anathema, but arent included...

You have to remember that in Paul's days many false people stand up agains the true Gospel, and he state that many letters didnt come from him but had his pretending signature.

that would occured with other Gospels even if the name of the autor its not on it....

Paul state even if an Angel come to you with another diferent gospel, the one be an Anathema.

I think the books that are in the Catholic & Evangelist are ok.


So this is another case, wich are the false Gospels & wich arent ?

TNarcher is write, the Gnositc its a speudo jewish sect, wich contrast with one another, even their god is half men & woman.