04-01-2010, 05:19 PM
Returning to Cagwinn,
In reference to your last sentence above? Any male of the tribe Alani would have been an Alanus. Same with female, Alana, which so often has been "claimed" a dirivitive of Celtic "Elana." (Man, I'm getting tired of the world's foremost language being Celtic, while all other languages are tripe.)
Perhaps I should re-check Nennius?
"The first man that dwelt in Europe was Alanus, with his three sons, Hisicon, Amenon, and Neugio." (Nennius, III, 17)
I don't see where Erminus relates to Hisicon, or Amenon relates to Inguo, or Istio relates to Neugio, other than the fact that they are Indo-European names ending in "o."
As for pronunciation?-- nobody is correct. The Chinese government balks at Cantonese and requires the official use of Mandarin... but neither is "correct." It depends on the individual speaker.
I use the term "Nennius" because I'm a humanist. And perhaps someone else was the actual copiest or originator. Certainly, he borrowed from other sources. We see tidbits of Jordanes-- "from the second, Magog, the Scythi and Gothi..." I'm sure many ancient authors did it. But the Brut which Nennius quoted still puts "Alanus" as the first man in Europe, the progenitor; and we have to stretch things beyond normal speech-- in any pronunciation-- to claim that "Alanus" is a corruption. In no fashion can anyone difinitively claim that "Alanus/Allanus/Alaneus/Analeus" is derived directly from "Mannus."
I'm not "wrong." I simply have an opinion. And I have that right under the umbrella of free speech and free thought. 8)
PS-- Oh! And once in awhile I'm actually right.
Quote:This is a known corruption of Tacitus' legendary (and ultimately mythological) genealogy of the Germani (Tacitus mentions three tribes - Ingvaeones, Irminones, Istvaeones - who claimed descent from Mannus son of Tuisto; this ended up being adopted by early medieval pseudo-historians and corrupted into three brothers - Erminus, Inguo and Istio - who were descended from Alanus/Allanus/Alaneus/Analeus [plus other variant spellings of these names in the various pseudo-histories]). I believe (following Zeuss & Grimm) that the form Alanus (et al) is simply a misreading of Mannus and has nothing to do whatsoever with the Alani.
In reference to your last sentence above? Any male of the tribe Alani would have been an Alanus. Same with female, Alana, which so often has been "claimed" a dirivitive of Celtic "Elana." (Man, I'm getting tired of the world's foremost language being Celtic, while all other languages are tripe.)
Perhaps I should re-check Nennius?
"The first man that dwelt in Europe was Alanus, with his three sons, Hisicon, Amenon, and Neugio." (Nennius, III, 17)
I don't see where Erminus relates to Hisicon, or Amenon relates to Inguo, or Istio relates to Neugio, other than the fact that they are Indo-European names ending in "o."
As for pronunciation?-- nobody is correct. The Chinese government balks at Cantonese and requires the official use of Mandarin... but neither is "correct." It depends on the individual speaker.
I use the term "Nennius" because I'm a humanist. And perhaps someone else was the actual copiest or originator. Certainly, he borrowed from other sources. We see tidbits of Jordanes-- "from the second, Magog, the Scythi and Gothi..." I'm sure many ancient authors did it. But the Brut which Nennius quoted still puts "Alanus" as the first man in Europe, the progenitor; and we have to stretch things beyond normal speech-- in any pronunciation-- to claim that "Alanus" is a corruption. In no fashion can anyone difinitively claim that "Alanus/Allanus/Alaneus/Analeus" is derived directly from "Mannus."
I'm not "wrong." I simply have an opinion. And I have that right under the umbrella of free speech and free thought. 8)
PS-- Oh! And once in awhile I'm actually right.
Alan J. Campbell
member of Legio III Cyrenaica and the Uncouth Barbarians
Author of:
The Demon's Door Bolt (2011)
Forging the Blade (2012)
"It's good to be king. Even when you're dead!"
Old Yuezhi/Pazyrk proverb
member of Legio III Cyrenaica and the Uncouth Barbarians
Author of:
The Demon's Door Bolt (2011)
Forging the Blade (2012)
"It's good to be king. Even when you're dead!"
Old Yuezhi/Pazyrk proverb
