11-05-2007, 04:16 AM
Yes,this is what Xenophon said in cyropaedia,with an anomotia of 36. What about the 25 mentioned by Herodotos? This was the archaic enomotia. Agreed that the way of deployment would not change. No debate in this.
Paul B doesn't seem to understand that a phalanx did not have only to push,but also to drill,to change from open to close order,to lock and unlock shields,and that this is impossible in D. Paul,next summer come to Thermopylae,in the even.I'll probably be there with many more hoplites(only the Greeks were about a dozen last year).We will both form a mini phalanx and you'll see that for yourself.To unlock your shield you have to turn it to the left.In D you can't do that simple thing because your shield is restricted by the shield of the man to your left.It is that simple to see it is just not practical.If the man in dront of you dies,you can't take his place because you're stuck in the formation!And by the time the phalanx is formed,you have to be in battle position and you cannot walk easilly,how yould you run?We do know that hoplites often run just befor engagement. This is clearly shown in all the sculptures I posted.
You alone said that while in battle the body is straight and pushed from behind.Now how would the shield in D be kept sideways to the right if the body is straight. On the contrary,you can have your body straight and your shield slightly to the left,and actually this is the normal position.
Khaire
Giannis
Paul B doesn't seem to understand that a phalanx did not have only to push,but also to drill,to change from open to close order,to lock and unlock shields,and that this is impossible in D. Paul,next summer come to Thermopylae,in the even.I'll probably be there with many more hoplites(only the Greeks were about a dozen last year).We will both form a mini phalanx and you'll see that for yourself.To unlock your shield you have to turn it to the left.In D you can't do that simple thing because your shield is restricted by the shield of the man to your left.It is that simple to see it is just not practical.If the man in dront of you dies,you can't take his place because you're stuck in the formation!And by the time the phalanx is formed,you have to be in battle position and you cannot walk easilly,how yould you run?We do know that hoplites often run just befor engagement. This is clearly shown in all the sculptures I posted.
You alone said that while in battle the body is straight and pushed from behind.Now how would the shield in D be kept sideways to the right if the body is straight. On the contrary,you can have your body straight and your shield slightly to the left,and actually this is the normal position.
Khaire
Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax