10-17-2008, 12:39 PM
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{Yes (and I said so before), but you have various evidence of organic armor in various gaulish context:
[url:1qvkqr78]http://koso.ucsd.edu/~martin/CelticSitter.gif[/url]
[url:1qvkqr78]http://usuarios.advance.com.ar/cernunnosgb/images/guerrier.jpg[/url]
[url:1qvkqr78]http://jfbradu.free.fr/celtes/les-celtes/roquepertuse1.jpg[/url]
[url:1qvkqr78]http://www.celticworld.it/immagini/ad_img/fgallery/fg_887_1118.jpg[/url]}
I will need to look more closely at these
{Here, in the Frontone of Civitalba, while a lot of Celts are "Gaesatae-Like", in the first image on the left the second figure is dressed with something look like a padded armor: [url:1qvkqr78]http://www.ilmontesantangelo.it/assets/images/sassoferrato.gif[/url]}
"Looks like" maybe but not a definate attestment.
{As in literature, the naked barbarian is more a "topos" than a matter of fact}
True but the Greeks fought naked, in the body at least.
{Without doubt there were some Gaulish groups, as the Gaesatae, that fought naked, or Gauls so poor (The light infantry wich Polybius, Caesar and Tacitus, in different times wrote about) that couldn't afford any kind of protection, but is quite difficult that it was the rule.... padded clothing (or animal skins, or leather) is a kind of protection quite ancient, used along time and space by lot of culture, and quite cheap, if not heavily effective}
The fact that some cultures used organic armour is enough in my book to validate applying it when teher is no direct evidence ... as far as I can see it.
{Is quite less impressive than the habit that some Gauls had to fight naked... and an organic protection isn't something of big interest...}
Not sure what you mean here?
{As I already wrote, in fact Romans used it: it was the "Coactilia" (cfr. Caes., Bell. Civ.).}
I can't pin down that quote ... do you have a link to it please?
{And they were nakend...AND most important of all, their shield were small (smaller than the Roman ones and probably the other Celts')}
I have my doubts about this also, its really out of place with all other evidence that Celtic shields were LARGE .... it makes them sound like a suicide squad hock: .... maybe they were !!
{Besides, at Telamon the Celtic army was attacked by two Roman armies and deployed in double directions: The gaesatae were not the only "front line" of the celtic army (that, in fact, facing two different armies had TWO "front lines")... But the Boii and the Taurisci weren't anihilated by javelins}
I do not accept that anyone was anihilated by velite javelins. They were very much out-numbered so it was foregone conclusion they would lose badly.
{Yes (and I said so before), but you have various evidence of organic armor in various gaulish context:
[url:1qvkqr78]http://koso.ucsd.edu/~martin/CelticSitter.gif[/url]
[url:1qvkqr78]http://usuarios.advance.com.ar/cernunnosgb/images/guerrier.jpg[/url]
[url:1qvkqr78]http://jfbradu.free.fr/celtes/les-celtes/roquepertuse1.jpg[/url]
[url:1qvkqr78]http://www.celticworld.it/immagini/ad_img/fgallery/fg_887_1118.jpg[/url]}
I will need to look more closely at these
{Here, in the Frontone of Civitalba, while a lot of Celts are "Gaesatae-Like", in the first image on the left the second figure is dressed with something look like a padded armor: [url:1qvkqr78]http://www.ilmontesantangelo.it/assets/images/sassoferrato.gif[/url]}
"Looks like" maybe but not a definate attestment.
{As in literature, the naked barbarian is more a "topos" than a matter of fact}
True but the Greeks fought naked, in the body at least.
{Without doubt there were some Gaulish groups, as the Gaesatae, that fought naked, or Gauls so poor (The light infantry wich Polybius, Caesar and Tacitus, in different times wrote about) that couldn't afford any kind of protection, but is quite difficult that it was the rule.... padded clothing (or animal skins, or leather) is a kind of protection quite ancient, used along time and space by lot of culture, and quite cheap, if not heavily effective}
The fact that some cultures used organic armour is enough in my book to validate applying it when teher is no direct evidence ... as far as I can see it.
{Is quite less impressive than the habit that some Gauls had to fight naked... and an organic protection isn't something of big interest...}
Not sure what you mean here?
{As I already wrote, in fact Romans used it: it was the "Coactilia" (cfr. Caes., Bell. Civ.).}
I can't pin down that quote ... do you have a link to it please?
{And they were nakend...AND most important of all, their shield were small (smaller than the Roman ones and probably the other Celts')}
I have my doubts about this also, its really out of place with all other evidence that Celtic shields were LARGE .... it makes them sound like a suicide squad hock: .... maybe they were !!
{Besides, at Telamon the Celtic army was attacked by two Roman armies and deployed in double directions: The gaesatae were not the only "front line" of the celtic army (that, in fact, facing two different armies had TWO "front lines")... But the Boii and the Taurisci weren't anihilated by javelins}
I do not accept that anyone was anihilated by velite javelins. They were very much out-numbered so it was foregone conclusion they would lose badly.
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